200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

hugh you are talking rubbish

sivvy1


hugh you are talking rubbish

Well I'd put your good benching down to having no fear of getting fat, rather than you being a genetic freak. 
 
Plus you managed a great bench by a young age and natural. With 15 years of heavy lifting and eating, I'm sure other could achieve great things.

in the drug tested competitions, which are obviosuly populated by people who train to be better powerlifters, a 200kg bench is exceptional
 
if you took 10 random untrained guys, you couldnt say that 6 of them would definately bench 200kg, they could drink all the milk they could lay there hands on, but its just not going to happen for most people
 
btw, i was fat when i started lifting so dont really see what difference that makes to my bench improvements, certainly couldnt say its because i got fat as i was always fat


 
 
 

Cut the bodyfat and see how it effets your bench then? notice a few guys on sugden went on cuts, bench effected massively, deadlift not....it was one of the Sam's....big or fat can't remember. Notice it with others as well.
 
Extra weight helps you lots in bench press. Your bench press while overall impressive, compared to people your weight it's not that impressive. I think if more people was prepared to go to your weight, you'd get more people doing the big bench presses.

i dont think you coudl get to 140kg and bench 180kg, not gonna happen
 
when i first benched 140kg in comp i was 138kg, and 140kg when i benched 190kg
 
so that 50kg increase in bench was from 2kg gain in bodyweight?

Cut down to 110kg and see what your bench is then....bet you it goes down a lot. 
 
Your CNS would be more tuned as well due to more training etc....weight has a big bearing on bench press.

what is your point?
 
heavier people are generally stronger than lighter people? (obviously otherwise you wouldn't have weight categories)
 
fat people are stronger than lean people? (load of ****e)
 
if you loose wight your lifts will probably go down? (obviously)
 
are you saying if i wasn't fat i wouldn't have benched 190, or if i wasn't heavy i wouldn't have benched 190?
 
 
do you not think if you took a sample of guys and trained them to bench 200kg, the successful ones would be the biggest (thickest set, large joints etc)?
 
 
fat sam benched 190 at 110 or so and 180 at 130 or so and has since done 200 at 118 or so iirc, but isnt natural so is irrelevant to this thread
 
 
 
 

So you agree heavier people are stronger than lighter people....or that it is an advantage. Yet you say fat makes no difference. I forgot fat has no weight, you seem to have all the answers though.
 
And no if you was lean you wouldn't bench 190kg, the extra weight(from fat) helps you lift more, due to making you heavier, which you agree makes you stronger.

Hugh_Jackman


Yeah but the main factor with you is obviously weight....it's not surprising you was 270lbs when  you did it. Most people aren't prepared to go to 270lbs because they train for vanity reasons. Obviously training consistently and smartly is a huge factor, but the weight you are has such a huge bearing on bench.

But like I said all along, no dedicated person will ever be classed as average.

 
I am 6ft3ish so 270 is not overly heavy.
 
I was lighter when doing the other lifts as I was just finished rowing or even still doing a small bit - so lots of Cardio.
 
I think when I was doing the squats I was probably benching 140 for reps and single around the 180 mark but would have to check.
 
I was training just once a week as well for the 12-14 week run in. Is once a week good or bad?
 
When say doing the other lifts like 200 x 5 and followed this up with 180 x 14 I was under 270 perhaps 260 only. I could have been in the low to mid 250's when doing the 200kg incline. At the time my weight would alter by as much as 7lbs during the day.
 
I am not denying that if I was 220 I'd not have managed the 501. I just checked I was a mere 268 on the day I did this lift which happened on the 20-09-03.

you can never know for certain if anyone is completely natural, and has been throughout their training

Hugh_Jackman

 I'm a sprinter 

 
Lets stick to something you may know something about.
 

• What is your best time at the 100M?
• What do you consider at average guy could achieve in the 100M, assuming they dedicated 10 years of their life to training and getting skinny?

 
DS
 

GavTheOne

you can never know for certain if anyone is completely natural, and has been throughout their training

 
I agree 100% mate - only the person themselves knows.
 
I'm natural but I only ever through that about if I was trying to win a going nowhere argument online!
 
What does Louie Simmons say - he has a bottle of test on a bench shirt under a bar and has yet to see it lift anything!

Hugh_Jackman


So you agree heavier people are stronger than lighter people....or that it is an advantage. Yet you say fat makes no difference. I forgot fat has no weight, you seem to have all the answers though.

And no if you was lean you wouldn't bench 190kg, the extra weight(from fat) helps you lift more, due to making you heavier, which you agree makes you stronger.

 
so what made my bench go from 140 to 190 when my weight stayed roughly the same?

sivvy1

Hugh_Jackman


So you agree heavier people are stronger than lighter people....or that it is an advantage. Yet you say fat makes no difference. I forgot fat has no weight, you seem to have all the answers though.

And no if you was lean you wouldn't bench 190kg, the extra weight(from fat) helps you lift more, due to making you heavier, which you agree makes you stronger.

so what made my bench go from 140 to 190 when my weight stayed roughly the same?

 
   Was it a bench shirt   ?
 
      *runs and hides*  
 
      only joking ! 

i didnt say fat makes no difference, i said weight makes a difference, not just fat, but mass of any description

Hugh, 2 things:
1) progress is not linear
2) the law of diminishing returns

Let's say average Joe started training and after 12 weeks managed a 80kg 1RM. His first bench attempt was 40kg but with CNS adaptation increased to 80kg. So a 100% increase. In 12 weeks his progress will be far less, maybe another 20kg.12 weeks later he may increase by another 5-10kg.

So as the weeks go by the increase in weight lifted gets smaller and smaller. Look at IainK's deadlift pb thread. It's been something like a year for a very meagre 2.5kg increase.
This is the reality. You reach your limit rather quickly then further gains take a lot of time irrespective of how dedicated your training is, how frequently you train or how much milk you drink.

Obviously if you are predisposed to benching you might start with a massive bench so the increase to 200kg would be smaller, but we're talking average males so need to bear in mind the 1RM of an average male is around 60kg. Therefore a 300%+ increase is far from realistic.

I'm not sure how you still think average males benching 200kg is in any way feasible?

Give it up Hugh...

Reborn


Give it up Hugh...

I have! hence the 21 hours lapsed between your post and the post previous. 

So you admit you're wrong then..good news.

:-P

Lol, I posted in this thread back in 2009 I was a genuine natural 200kg benchpresser - not to Pling standards although I was given a wildcard invite to the then top tested PLing fed to compete at their world championships due to my benching at the gym of the then federation's secretary. At 18stone plus I regularly benched 180-190kg for 12-15 reps and did a double with 235kg (touch and go) back in the late 80's.
 
I only really wanted to be a BBer and trained for that when I lost all my blubber to compete I lost a great deal of strength make of that what you will.
I don't think too many natural trainers will ever reach a 200kg bench. To put it into perspective a good friend of mine was one of the Uk's greatest ever benchers, we were talking about this type of subject his best raw competition bench assisted at mid heavy was 250-252.5kg (can't quite remember now which) he said totally naturally he would have been somewhat lighter and at a guess believes he could have posted a natural 180-190kg competition bench so there's a good comparison of one of Uk and Europes top (at the time) PLers'