200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

Yes its possible, but what would have caused me to disbelieve him is the same as you.

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I assume each federation has criteria as to which the shirt must conform to then?

Indeed they do. Single ply, double ply, maybe triple ply, open backed, closed backed.  I lift in the IPF which allows only single ply, close backed shirts which are the tamest of all the shirts. Some of the others are wild indeed. I don't know the ins and outs of them all as frankly I don't need to.  Some of the wilder shirt wearers can bench more than they deadlift.  I find that very strange

As far as I know, forgiveness is for the benefit of the person doing the forgiving, not the one being forgiven

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Why dont they just ban them? Surely a better shirt would give you an advantage over a lesser shirt?

Because the shirt manufacturers put a lot of money into the sport and not many others do. If you upset them a huge slice of income disappears. Most lifters (but by no means all) regard them as a necessary evil

As far as I know, forgiveness is for the benefit of the person doing the forgiving, not the one being forgiven

Course its possible, I benched over 200kg as a natty 20 years ago, these were touch and go and not with a pause though, at around 18 stone.

Marvin Eder (lb for lb one of the strongest men to have ever lived) benched 235kg at around 20 and at under 200lb (was 3rd person in USA to do this) this was early 50's apparently 3 years before Dianabol was brought to the US so you can be sure it was natty. There are loads of Photo's on the web of this guy pressing, overhead pressing, dipping etc.. due to him breaking world records that were recorded. He retired from competing/lifting at 23 and all his lifes were natty. His single rep dip (photo is on the web) of 430-440lb has still never been approached. Granted he was a genetic freak but its an inspiration for the natty trainer.

He may not have known what a bench shirt is unless he is into powerlifting, he might not ever have heard of one. And 200kg natty is perfectly possible for some folk.

Enjoyed reading about Marvin Eder on here and then a few extra bits I just read.

Yes mate he could still do sets of 50 rep chins approaching 70! Apparently he'd never deadlifted before and after a short training session deadlifted 300kg lol. His development at 18 was worldclass even by the standards of todays AAS using 18 year olds.

Long forgotten by all those not interested in the early strenght athletes. Imo his weighted dips and chins will stand for many years to come.

got a mate who used to use AAS, hasnt for many years and tells me he can still bench 200kg. Seen him do that assisted but not clean, wouldnt doubt him though very very strong guy, very strong in the legs too.

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So how does the shirt work, by keeping your muscles tight thus allowing you to generate more force?

James M


So how does the shirt work, by keeping your muscles tight thus allowing you to generate more force?

you ever seen a video of a shirted guy walking up to the bench, arms extended right in front of him? well that is the position the shirt wants to be in, as you lower the weight, the arms of the shirt want to "spring" back into position, helping you press the bar off your chest.
 

calm down, its life, mate, its only a game

i think thats how it works, anyway lol. cant say i have ever used any equipment other than a belt.
can any of the power lifters on here tell me the difference between closed and open back shirts?

calm down, its life, mate, its only a game

So how do shirts actually help? 

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Must admit I've never heard of them.

You did gain far too much fat though,I mean,you're not muscular at all,you're just a fat mess.

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As far as I know, forgiveness is for the benefit of the person doing the forgiving, not the one being forgiven

I think its possible for a lot of people if they possess the required amount of dedication. This might mean gaining 50kg of bodyweight in some cases but still, it should be attainable.

20kg to go.

http://www.criticalbenc...m/bench-press-shirts.htm

As far as I know, forgiveness is for the benefit of the person doing the forgiving, not the one being forgiven

My best mate benched 170kg at 20 years old and, while he goes to the gym a lot, is not what I would consider a serious trainer and doesnt train as a powerlifter.
 
He would not know what a benching shirt is and I doubt he would know what a deadlift is.

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Some of the wilder shirt wearers can bench more than they deadlift.  I find that very strange

That's beyond strange and way over into the Twilight Zone!

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

ok i think this thread is getting a bit silly now, claims of "a lot of people could do it" or brushing it off as not a great achievement are completely under mining just how few people can actually do this.

i think the most sense has been spoken by Fat Pete in this thread, himself a natty and benching 205kg with a shirt, as i said this bloke was not a patch on Pete in terms of size or knowledge.

in fact those people saying many natty's can do it, why not post your lifts up?

wow there seem to be a lot of 17-20 year olds that can out-bench Papa-Lazarou and Fat Pete...and the rest of us

My bench is piss poor these days due to a torn shoulder buddy.  Gone are my 180kg days alas LOL.

Maybe one day I will get back to the dizzy heights eh?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKSB_j84HJ0

Found it, hope this works. Think he has gone heavier recently.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKSB_j84HJ0

Found it, hope this works. Think he has gone heavier recently.

Could at least but his back flat on the bench

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Powerlifting technique used in competitions. They don't bench the typical bodybuilding style. Think hes ranked 6th or so in the world at his weight division (equipped) though not sure of which federation. Got a 250kg bench equipped as well on there, damn strong for 24 IMO.

hes got a 300kg for 2 squat aswell

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Powerlifting technique used in competitions. They don't bench the typical bodybuilding style. Think hes ranked 6th or so in the world at his weight division (equipped) though not sure of which federation. Got a 250kg bench equipped as well on there, damn strong for 24 IMO.

How much would his bench decrease if he was flat?

I reckon I could add 20kg to my bench if I did it that way

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I hate when threads like this pop up and the words "easy" and "many people" come up - the difference between "possible" and "easy" is huge.



Shirts work by essentially stretching in the chest as you lower the bar, building up tension, which aids in the press.

Closed back is easier to get on, get set up, and jack (jacking a shirt = putting it on in a way that gives extra support by manipulating the collar/chest/sleeves)

Thanks for the info Fat Pete.

Very interesting indeed.

AWG; arch and try it.

As an aside a small arch is a very good thing whilst benching for any purpose.

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wow there seem to be a lot of 17-20 year olds that can out-bench Papa-Lazarou and Fat Pete...and the rest of us

green doesnt suit you mate ;)

I think it would be ill informed and naieve to suggest that suited benching is easy, but now having read the descriptions of how they work i think they seem like a great idea to help train and improve your raw bench (assuming they do of course) but i can't understand the appeal.

Interesting to read the variations in rules from one federation to another. To me anything other than raw and unassisted isn't worth competing as it's the suit competing not the lifter.

All IMHO of course and not judging those of you who do use them and compete - it's still damn impressive stuff.

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

i have never seen a shirt bench 200kg, have you??

I don't like sportsmen that take drugs. Its the drugs competing :)

The lifter is using the suit/shirt. It's an old debate though which is getting off topic but..

From my own experince, as an unequipped lifter trying to make it equipped, equipped lifting is harder, more technical and more of a bloody pain in the ass! It's a combination of this challenge and the fact you lift more that attracts people to equipped lifting. Plus the fact that it is the more competitive (in general) than any unequipped division. Although WPC Unequipped looked a fantastic meet!

As for drug free 200kg bench, Yes it's possible but very very rare. Then to do it at a meet is even harder. Sivvy is a big beast manchild of a young man (and good to cuddle too!) and may very well do a 200kg bench in the gym before long. But he is unusually big and strong and not a common occuranceby any means. Lets face it even with gear a 200kg bench is uncommon!

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No - but i have seen a suit assist somebody benching 200kg (YouTube though )

A spotter could assist somebody bench 200kg - would that be acceptable?

The point is where do you draw the line - for me i draw the line at assisted. The presser should be the one to do the lift in my opinion - of course there are variations between federations.

Do you agree with all federations?

Would it be ok to have a massive rubber band pulling the elbows together and therefore assisting the lift. I'm confident that you will draw the line somewhere.

At a veyr basic level there are assisted and raw lifts - i happen to be more of a fan of raw lifts.

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

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As for drug free 200kg bench, Yes it's possible but very very rare. Then to do it at a meet is even harder. Sivvy is a big beast manchild of a young man (and good to cuddle too!) and may very well do a 200kg bench in the gym before long. But he is unusually big and strong and not a common occuranceby any means. Lets face it even with gear a 200kg bench is uncommon!

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I don't like sportsmen that take drugs. Its the drugs competing :)

The lifter is using the suit/shirt. It's an old debate though which is getting off topic but..

From my own experince, as an unequipped lifter trying to make it equipped, equipped lifting is harder, more technical and more of a bloody pain in the ass! It's a combination of this challenge and the fact you lift more that attracts people to equipped lifting. Plus the fact that it is the more competitive (in general) than any unequipped division. Although WPC Unequipped looked a fantastic meet!

This is why you have raw lifting vs equipped, natural vs assisted.

I'm not condemning equipped lifting or suggesting it should be stopped. But the drugs would help somebody to get their body to a point where they can manage the lift - but you can't take them away. You could remove a suit or shirt from the equation in seconds.

Could somebody more knowledgeable about the differences between federations say which is the most extreme ? (in terms of how much the suit helps)

Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak

Multi-ply feds such as BPC/WPC allow the highest level of support; multiple layers in the suits, supportive briefs worn underneath, different materials and longer knees wraps.

Further some US multi-ply feds judge to bastardised ideals passing very high squats and unlocked out benches etc etc.

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Well this is an old chestnut if ever there was one lol, but I've never been a fan of the old powered exoskeletons myself

Shame they seem to be creeping into strongman more these days too. You can't beat a bit of actual raw lifting IMHO

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIGhfbrlj0
 
 

i guarentee if you tried a suit/shirt you would think differently

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Well this is an old chestnut if ever there was one lol, but I've never been a fan of the old powered exoskeletons myself

Shame they seem to be creeping into strongman more these days too. You can't beat a bit of actual raw lifting IMHO

Exactly. Its just not a true test of strength when you have help. Its like me saying I can bench 200kilos as long as my mate is helping me push up the bar!