200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

no, no, no, no, no

sivvy1


no, no, no, no, no

That's a thoroughly convincing argument. As is the "if you tried a suit then you'd think differently"

Some people will prefer raw lifts, some will prefer assisted lifts.

Look on YouTube, there are even people who let their spotters assist them

sivvy1


i guarentee if you tried a suit/shirt you would think differently

Was that for me mate? I've tried some, but I guess you mean properly get used to them and train in them regularly, in which case maybe you're right

Then again it's a bit like saying I'm going to start liking olives. Some people like olives, fair play to them, but personally olives make me gag. I could try eating them every day and hope I started liking them, or I could not eat them

The powered exoskeleton bit was just my attempt at humour if that's what caught your eye! Something that used to get said in some of the old debates we had here is all lol

There are 2 main ways to articically assist performance in the powerlifts; gear and gear :) 

Now this is going off topic now and getting into a powerlifting equipment debate. I suggest an other thread for that

Off course I think the original question has been answered ie it is possible to do a 200kg bench drug free. Its just very very hard and rare thing to do.

its like those chin up assistance machines, sure you put in most of the effort but the machine helps you to complete the reps because you are not strong enough.
So there's no point in saying you chin 15 reps etc

"i've never seen a shirt on its own bench 200kg bla blah blah"

fact of the matter is:

if you can only bench 180kg without a shirt, but 200kg with a shirt... IMO you can only bench 180kg

20kg doesnt magically come from the power of greyskull, it comes from the elastic tension effect of the shirt.

I'm too tight to spend good money on an expensive shirt I'd only wear a few times a year. At my bodyweight (125-130+) I'd get pissed on from a great height by guys doing 300+ kilos so it's 'rawish' for me. By that I mean I'll use sweet FA warming up, I don't even like a big arch due to my usual on-going back problems (it's currently so bad walking is painful).

So I'll pop on my Boots brought knee sleeves on my elbows (actual elbow ones were too small) and wrist wraps and away I go.

The issue with the feds is no standard across the board. It's going to be hard to compare a 200-kilo 3 ply bench shirt assisted bench with a open back single ply bench shirt assisted bench. Hence the 'I am a world champion in my weight class' BS that we see. Those that lift completely raw argue that their way stops this being an issue. But as per one of the videos on here (shirted lifter) even the style can differ. Old school has your feet FLAT on the floor not tucked under you on tippy toe. I don't even like a hand off so spotting by a buddy is out (hence my liking a power rack bench press not a bench press bench style lift) yet a good hand off will help add 5-10-kilos to a lift.

Anyway assuming I don't end up walking over the road with a zimmer frame I still want to kick Sivvy's butt by being first to 200kg (ya know I luvs ya Sivvy LOL). 

essex_chris

sivvy1


no, no, no, no, no

That's a thoroughly convincing argument. As is the "if you tried a suit then you'd think differently"

Some people will prefer raw lifts, some will prefer assisted lifts.

Look on YouTube, there are even people who let their spotters assist them

it just becomes tiresome hearing peoples opinions on things they know very very little about

i think you will mate, my benching is stale at the moment, but my push press if flying, aslong as something keeps moving!!!

yeah i think its very possible, with years of training great genetics, and strict diet.

Incredible Bulk


its like those chin up assistance machines,
 
Dosn't take skill to use the assistance machines

"i've never seen a shirt on its own bench 200kg bla blah blah"

fact of the matter is:

if you can only bench 180kg without a shirt, but 200kg with a shirt... IMO you can only bench 180kg

20kg doesnt magically come from the power of greyskull, it comes from the elastic tension effect of the shirt.
Quite right. If I can only bench 180kg (I wish lol) and bench 200kg in a shirt then I can still only bench 180kg. My equipped bench press pb is 200kg. They are different lifts

 
Looks like I carn't help myself continue to go off topic lolol
 

 

exactly

sivvy1

it just becomes tiresome hearing peoples opinions on things they know very very little about

I'm not having a go at you Sivvy1 - just questioning the things you've posted.

I don't think anybody said a shirt benched 200kg, but it would be very naieve to think that it didn't help

iaink

Incredible Bulk


its like those chin up assistance machines,
 
Dosn't take skill to use the assistance machines

"i've never seen a shirt on its own bench 200kg bla blah blah"

fact of the matter is:

if you can only bench 180kg without a shirt, but 200kg with a shirt... IMO you can only bench 180kg

20kg doesnt magically come from the power of greyskull, it comes from the elastic tension effect of the shirt.
Quite right. If I can only bench 180kg (I wish lol) and bench 200kg in a shirt then I can still only bench 180kg. My equipped bench press pb is 200kg. They are different lifts

 
Looks like I carn't help myself continue to go off topic lolol 
  

 
seems like you didnt see i replied before you posted
my reply took longer than 2 mins to type

ofcourse it helps, but to say the shirt did all the work is just plain wrong,

who's said that...

did the shirt help with that extra 20kg...yes, otherwise why use it. if you cant lift the extra 20kg on your own its naieve to say the shirt only helps a smidge.

Who said that the shirt did all the work?

Dammit now i'm an IB echo. Given my size perhaps more of an amplification

the way your talking your giving the impression that you think you put on a shirt, and bam, 20kg pb

this is wrong

your also giving the impression that you dont reaslise that powerlifters know the difference between shirted and unshirted numbers

which is also wrong


you have wrongness

so you put on a shirt and you bench less?

Possible, yes, for a small amount of people with the necessary genetics and training, Marvin Eder is mentioned already, Reg Park also did 500lbs before the advent of AAS, I'm sure there are many others, all with tremendous genetics though.

These days, I don't know if I'd believe it. It's so very hard to tell whether people are genuinely without AAS or whether they've had a teensy bit of gear when they were younger, even if they didn't inhale.

Maybe you read it like that Sivvy1 but in all honesty i think you're getting the impression that's what is being said.

Nobody is being unfair to shirted lifts as far as i can see.

It's a superb argument of yours to say that i or anyone else has 'wrongness'

Well done. The Oxford Debating Society have just called and offered you a place