200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

Incredible Bulk


so you put on a shirt and you bench less?

no

you equipped bench what you equipped bench, you unequipped bench what you unequipped bench

2 different excercises

essex_chris


Maybe you read it like that Sivvy1 but in all honesty i think you're getting the impression that's what is being said.

Nobody is being unfair to shirted lifts as far as i can see.

It's a superb argument of yours to say that i or anyone else has 'wrongness'

Well done. The Oxford Debating Society have just called and offered you a place

that wrongness is taking over, i would talk to your chums at oxford and see if they have a cure!!!

sivvy1

Incredible Bulk


so you put on a shirt and you bench less?

no

you equipped bench what you equipped bench, you unequipped bench what you unequipped bench

2 different excercises

 
thats not in contention...what is in contention is you seem to be swaying towards the argument that bench shirts do not help you lift a weight you cannot handle on your own.

sivvy1


the way your talking your giving the impression that you think you put on a shirt, and bam, 20kg pb

you have wrongness

 
so what does a shirt do then... if not to help you press more weight than your strength allows?
 

 

That's certainly the impression that your posts give anyway.

Incredible Bulk

sivvy1


the way your talking your giving the impression that you think you put on a shirt, and bam, 20kg pb

you have wrongness

 
so what does a shirt do then... if not to help you press more weight than your strength allows?
 

 

a shirt makes you feel like someone is trying to crush your chest, cut off your arms, and strangle you, all at the same time

eventually, yes a shirt will help, but it takes time to get one work work and forever to master

you don't half go around the houses sivvy1...

cut the BS and just say "yes a shirt will help you bench a weight you cannot handle at your current strength level" LMAO

i couldnt care less if it gave you an erotic tingle while wearing it, eventually or not, you wear it as it helps you lift more than you normally could without it.

you stick to bb, i will stick to pl/sm ok?? lol

It gives you an erotic tingle?

These shirts. Where would a friend of mine procure one?

debating isnt your fine point is it sivvy1 lol
 
i'm taking my ball and going home! pffft

its hard to debate with someone who already has their mind made up and has never used or understood equipped bench press

you duck and dive questions...

answer this yes or no...or explain it, dont start rambling on about how the shirt makes you feel or telling me to stick to bodybuilding yadda yadda.

How can someone learn anything from your posts?

does wearing a bench shirt help you lift more weight than your current strength level allows?

yes....no....

Come on Sivvy1 you should be able to justify your points.

This is not the finer points of astrophysics or brain chemistry and the effect it has on emotions we are talking about so pulling out the 'you've not used one' card won't wash.

It's clear that an assited lift takes skill. It's obvious that the lifter does the majority of the work.

I haven't made up my mind on the issue - i just know what i think about it now based on what i know and what others have written.

Making statements about 'have you seen a shirt press 200kg' or 'you've not used one so can't comment' is ridiculous.

Incredible Bulk


you duck and dive questions...

answer this yes or no...or explain it, dont start rambling on about how the shirt makes you feel or telling me to stick to bodybuilding yadda yadda.

How can someone learn anything from your posts?

does wearing a bench shirt help you lift more weight than your current strength level allows?

yes....no....

yes



just not straight away

essex_chris


Come on Sivvy1 you should be able to justify your points.

This is not the finer points of astrophysics or brain chemistry and the effect it has on emotions we are talking about so pulling out the 'you've not used one' card won't wash.

It's clear that an assited lift takes skill. It's obvious that the lifter does the majority of the work.

I haven't made up my mind on the issue - i just know what i think about it now based on what i know and what others have written.

Making statements about 'have you seen a shirt press 200kg' or 'you've not used one so can't comment' is ridiculous.

Ignoring your childish comments, im glad you appreciate that it takes skill to lift equipped, you seem to have changed your mind somewhat.

essex_chris

 To me anything other than raw and unassisted isn't worth competing as it's the suit competing not the lifter.

So you read 'isn't worth competing' and took it to mean what exactly?

I would still reiterate that point as it's still the suit aiding the lift, the lifter still only presses as much as they can press. Different suits aid the lift in different ways, no?

I never said that the suit did the lift. If it's lifters competing then it's clear how much the competition is between just them - introduce extra elements which are hard to gauge and that is why in my opinion competing equipped isn't worth doing.

I didn't say it wasn't worth lifting equipped - just the competing part gives over too much to the suit. This isn't a sport like F1 or competitive cycling where the equipment is essential to the sport - F1 would be pretty boring without the cars.

I think it's worth noting that the childish stuff starts with queries about suits lifting 200kg Sivvy1.

If you read my earlier post as saying that then you read it wrong. I haven't changed my mind at all.

If you said more than 'no,no,no, no' then i might be convinced but as yet i haven't heard much of a point.

you said its the suit competeing, which is wrong, you said it, so you are wrong, that was my point

If you want to be pedantic about it and not read between the lines of the point of my post then fair enough.

Clearly it doesn't mean that the suit does the lifting

Honestly did you read that post and take it to mean that?

Big D

i know it's possible but how possible is it? i just doubt there are that many people out there that are clean that could get anywhere near a 200kg bench press and even those that can would be wearing a shirt.

should i have called bullsh1t?

I have done 227.5kg as a lifetime natural.
I also did 200kg x 5 & 180kg x 14.

All on bench, now when doing these lifts I had on neoprene elbow wraps and wrist wraps and that was it. I weighed 271lbs when I did the 501lb bench.

My brother benched 200kg once on the same day I did 227.5kg, he is lifetime natural, he was maybe 235-240lbs at the time, not sure.

So my answer is yes it is possible and no it is not common but I have seen it and done it.

Now I am getting older and am hoping to get back to benching biggish sometime soon. If I stay injury free I reckon I'd be good for a clean 180kg lift within 3-6 months of starting back.

Wraps are basically for safety right? Strengthen the joint rather than assist the lift - granted they are an assistance of sort of course.