200kg bench - would you believe this/possible without AAS?

Dr Z; it's all well and good aspiring to a 200KG bench sans gear, but fact is it will be beyond the vast majority of poeple unless a) you have outstanding talent at pressing b) you naturally very large or c) bit of both. Obviously it then requires the addition of some high focus and determination.

A 200kg bench press, without both types of gear, is out of the question for most lifters.

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Dr Z; it's all well and good aspiring to a 200KG bench sans gear, but fact is it will be beyond the vast majority of poeple unless a) you have outstanding talent at pressing b) you naturally very large or c) bit of both. Obviously it then requires the addition of some high focus and determination.

A 200kg bench press, without both types of gear, is out of the question for most lifters.

   Well of course it is  !  but these people - ( a) you have outstanding talent at pressing b) you naturally very large or c) bit of both.  )   do exist , and by nature they tend to gravitate towards lifting -  so the concept of a 200k natural , unequipped bench is not (generally) that difficult for me to grasp . 
        Not saying everyone should be able to do it , but I don't see a 200k raw bench as an immediete  B.S. flag 

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I like Fat Pete's high jump/pole vault analogy. Both sports have an end result of a measurement of how high is jumped. Both have different means of achieving that end result. To compare the two would be ludicrous.

Taking it further though, If you were an excellent high jumper and you were given a pole and asked to attempt a slightly higher jump but this time with the aid of the pole, you would most likely struggle as your technique would be non-existent. Failure would ensue. Some practice with the pole would probably result in a higher jump being achieved after some time and you could add a new PB of highest 'pole assisted jump'.

However. if someone were to ask what your highest jump was and you claimed your pole-assisted version without qualifying the means used to achieve that, then you would be guilty of massaging the truth somewhat. More accurately, you should state you raw jump AND your pole-assisted as they are two quite distinct and different jumps.

I see your point better Dr Z.

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That is a great analogy.

Theoretically it would be interesting to see how a high jump vs pole vault thread would turn out - this is not intended as inflammatory, but i suspect that a pole vaulter would not so easily get the hump about it being suggested that the pole did a lot of the work when comparisons between wood, fibre glass and carbon fibre poles started cropping up.

"i've never seen a pole jump 6metres, have you?"

LMC is right about the switch between the two disciplines. Any sensible discussion is always going to have a few givens - one being that neither lifter nor assistance equipment do all of the work

It's a fair way to compare the discussion

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Thought I'd point out that a powerlifter dosn't get the hump when it's pointed out their equipment helps them lift more. We don't go through that pain for a pat on the back! Powerlifters get the hump when people are dissmive, suggest it's somehow easy to do, and take the piss :)

I must however add that in the main this thread has been clear of that!

The jumping anaglogy is a fair one. As it makes a clear the distinction between the 2 lifts.

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essex chris you should train more and post less

I am sure it would be possible, same as a certain man walking on water

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iaink


Thought I'd point out that a powerlifter dosn't get the hump when it's pointed out their equipment helps them lift more. We don't go through that pain for a pat on the back! Powerlifters get the hump when people are dissmive, suggest it's somehow easy to do, and take the piss :)

I must however add that in the main this thread has been clear of that!

The jumping anaglogy is a fair one. As it makes a clear the distinction between the 2 lifts.

well said iain!!

Actually, the high jump/pole vault analogy would be more accurate if, to use the pole, rather than simply pick it up and take a firm grasp of it you had to contort your fist into such a position that it barely fitted the shape of the pole and during the course of the jump left your palm with severe bruising. I think that's a valid inclusion to the analogy.

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I am sure it would be possible, same as a certain man walking on water

You really think a 200kg bench drug free is impossible? I have seen a couple in my time as an unequipped powerlifter. Given the size of em I doubt either of em could walk on water!

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i will never walk on water, but i will bench 200kg naturally

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I am sure it would be possible, same as a certain man walking on water

You really think a 200kg bench drug free is impossible? I have seen a couple in my time as an unequipped powerlifter. Given the size of em I doubt either of em could walk on water!

no ofcourse not, but if my first post in like 6 mnths wasn't slightly controversial then it just wouldn't feel right.
They could run on custard though!!

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Yeah the custard does make that miracle easier.

Given the number of boating accidents sivvy has had, he's best clear of water! ;) Hope you've sorted that crusie out pal?

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not quite, bit of a joke to be honest!!

I've managed 180kg raw and am natural and that was after 60kg x 8, 80kg x 8, 100kg x 8, 125kg x 8, 150kg x 6 then 180kg x 1 just to see if i could do it.  Would love to do 200kg as my goal was 180.

Apparently at a natural bench press competition at Monster Gym in Cheshunt some bloke benched 230kg or something massive.  Would love to see someone moving that sort of weight shirted or not its very impressive!

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Good benching there.   Because of this thread i've decided to do a month of trying to increase my strength in benching so did a whole lot of benching last nite (140kg x 10, 8, 6 and then 4).  Gonna try to get it back up to my PB of 180kg by xmas.

Whether this is possible for me naturally, I dunno

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essex chris you should train more and post less

In your humble opinion sivvy1

People should certainly pull their neck in a touch when being dismissive of something. I know i can say hand on heart that i don't dismiss shirted/suited lifts. Almost any lifting is a real achievement and a positive thing.

iank

I must however add that in the main this thread has been clear of that!

Pretty much how i've looked at the thread. I'm always prepared to have anything i post questioned or challenged. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I'd just settle in the medium term to reach a 150kg lift. Absolute max for me is ~120kg but i doubt the form would have passed in a comp!

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i doubt the form would have passed in a comp

Cue another 8 pages on comp lifts vs BBer lifts

Haha. I've created a monster

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