30g of protein?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19699838?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=2

Been away uj?!

http://drewprice.co.uk/blog/?p=351

 

Drew Price


Been away uj?!

http://drewprice.co.uk/blog/?p=351

I was expecting Mobster to foam at the mouth!
away? Been very busy .

Have been thinking about this all week. I am going to start taking approx 30 grams every 2-3 hours rather than 50-60 grams

There's a massive difference between 30g and 90g, what's to say that 40 or 50 would not yeild benefits, how can the deduce 30 to be the absolute number when they use such big swings in protein servings?
 
Layne Norton and colleagues authored a paper that suggested larger servings taken less frequently were more beneficial due to the effects on leucine threshold!?!?  So where do we stand now I wonder...

uj

Drew Price


Been away uj?!

http://drewprice.co.uk/blog/?p=351

I was expecting Mobster to foam at the mouth!
away? Been very busy .

Take my foaming as read.

The study used young and elderly subjects. No mention of trained individuals. I'm neither. Neither this nor the previously similar study discussed multiple feedings nor time between feedings/meals. In fact it says quite clearly ''in a single meal'' which they then tested for muscle protein synthesis at 3 and 5 hours. I'd have eaten again between meal one and so on.

One might argue that we do not use that much more etc etc but if there are studies like this being posted please let there be some relevance. 

Gothic_Muscle


There's a massive difference between 30g and 90g, what's to say that 40 or 50 would not yeild benefits, how can the deduce 30 to be the absolute number when they use such big swings in protein servings?

True. Or multiple feedings. Why is it always one??

As per mobsters observations.  This shows nothing about people who train.  Can't imagine someone who is younger or old has particurly well developed (in young) or performing (in old) digestive systems.  And everyone is different. Tell me that Cutler gets by on 30g of protein a meal?  No chance.  Genetics, diet, training, medications used and rest will all adjust how much can be digested.  


Indeed, when one is sleeping sure the body can utilize more protein as no energy is being expanded beyond basic systems within the body.

Muscle protein synthesis indicates some uptake of protein into the muscle but does not allow for the rest of the bodies requirements. There is no indication in the brief write up in what any of the subjects had prior to the test - did they eat other meals?? There are so many variables one wonders how anyone can make anything of the subject at all.

Look at the WHO amounts of, from memory, of what is required in those suffering from malnutrition (45g a day??) and the typical amounts (usually based on US citizens) of the average Joe's diet (70-90g a day). We also know that combined with a good medical system the nations with the highest amounts typically are taller. This used to be the US and is now the Dutch.

One might easily argue said info would require for such feedings when most have 3 meals a day and that these meals vary in amounts from less than 20 to 40+.

Studying one meal and, as per the previous study, then using that to stretch the results over the day is, in my opinion, BS.  

Mobster

There are so many variables one wonders how anyone can make anything of the subject at all.

In one line you have described the greater portion of nutrition research!

True LOL.

I don't understand why this has been posted here. What were your intentions UJ? What were you trying to gain, prove, disprove, provoke or debate? A reply is greatly appreciated.

Was it to try to prove that we (those who weight train) don't need more than 30g per sitting? As that's pretty laughable (as per the points made by mobster). I figure (if i was so inclined to follow such internet trends!) a fail picture would prove appropiate here

Don't bother. He does this often, if only to show science doesn't have all the answers but occasionally for debate. Usually we get nowt but a link and that's it.

Mobster


Don't bother. He does this often, if only to show science doesn't have all the answers but occasionally for debate. Usually we get nowt but a link and that's it.

 

It does engender debate. Bob wolfe's team are working with old people and I think sponsored by the beef industry. He's simply trying to get old people to have 30g of protein per meal from breakfast onwards to max synth and help prevent your gran's muscle from wasting away and requiring her to be placed in a care home costing a fortune. you'll see eveyone over 60 lifting weights next-lifting and protein post ex skyrockets protein synth. they wont bench 300 lbs but simply lifting milk jugs to start off with. independent living is cheaper on mobster's taxes than 600 quid per week in a care home.
a big lad on 4,000 kcals per day and 30% protein= 1,200 kcals from protein=300g of protein(right up mobsters street).

Spot on. There's an article on this very study and it's weak points in my latest copy of MD. I'll see if I can be bothered to sum up the better points later.