Anybody here done OTC PCT after SD???

Title says all really, I know everybody says dont do it and use clomid, but has anybody done this on here???

the only OTC pct to SD is when people have run pulse cycles of it

Yes mate I did an OTC PCT after 19 days of SD followed by approx 6 weeks (IIRC) of Epistane and have in fact done an OTC PCT in all of my 4 cycles to date. I think I used Mass FX/Hyperdrol/Xlean for the SD/Epi cycle PCT but since then have used Inhibit E and I-Force Reversitol twice. I had no problems with any of them and rate Reversitol very highly. I have just used it for my last PCT and have no doubts it did a very good job.
 
I personally would not touch Clomid or Nolva but that is my call and not necessarily a recommendation for anyone else. However, I have had no problems running OTC PCT and will always do so in the future.
 
I would add that I am 45 now so my natural test levels are probably not that high to start with so perhaps I do not have as much scope to be "shut down" as severely as someone younger?

Son of Frank

I would add that I am 45 now so my natural test levels are probably not that high to start with so perhaps I do not have as much scope to be "shut down" as severely as someone younger?

I wouldn't read so much into the "after 30 they drop loads" mantra mate, decrease with age yes, but not so much that your c0ck is so limp it inverts.

I hate clomid, used it after a SD cycle 18 months or so ago.  Running SD now and plan to use Novedex XT + long recovery time as PCT.  No blood work either side so I'll never really know the outcome, other than percieved outcome.  I've used Novedex XT as a standalone product and noticed a considerable difference in erection frequency and quality.  Hard to judge how this transfers to gym results or even hormone levels, but I doubt going from sh:t morning glory to really good morning could be solely down to placebo effect.

1ManRiot

Son of Frank

I would add that I am 45 now so my natural test levels are probably not that high to start with so perhaps I do not have as much scope to be "shut down" as severely as someone younger?

I wouldn't read so much into the "after 30 they drop loads" mantra mate, decrease with age yes, but not so much that your c0ck is so limp it inverts.

I hate clomid, used it after a SD cycle 18 months or so ago.  Running SD now and plan to use Novedex XT + long recovery time as PCT.  No blood work either side so I'll never really know the outcome, other than percieved outcome.  I've used Novedex XT as a standalone product and noticed a considerable difference in erection frequency and quality.  Hard to judge how this transfers to gym results or even hormone levels, but I doubt going from sh:t morning glory to really good morning could be solely down to placebo effect.

Fair comment mate and thankfully I am not at the inverted stage; wasn't this morning anyway

funnily enough the original compound 'rebound XT' which contained 25mg ATD was designed for PCT after SD.  Some people did encounter some problems with gyno though; a very small percentage.

Providing your cycle is not too long (not extending 4 weeks) or at a high dose (above 30mg), then an OTC PCT should suffice

I'm with Son Of Frank here. Always use OTC pct. Recon PCT is pretty good, 50mg ATD per cap.
SOF going to test Get Diesel: Diesel Test Pro-Cycle for Predator Nutrition shortly. See if it can give us oldies a boost

What is THE best OTC product?

Recon PCT sounds ok?

Wow when I posted this i expected the usual ONLY SERMS WILL DO messages, quite surrised at the comments on here tbh.

Whats the whole ATD thing, ive seen it mentioned in a few threads but never paid much attention to it tbh.

Kraven


I'm with Son Of Frank here. Always use OTC pct. Recon PCT is pretty good, 50mg ATD per cap.
SOF going to test Get Diesel: Diesel Test Pro-Cycle for Predator Nutrition shortly. See if it can give us oldies a boost

LOL. Presume you will be keeping a journal mate and if so I will definitely pop in from time to time.

S777

Wow when I posted this i expected the usual ONLY SERMS WILL DO messages, quite surrised at the comments on here tbh.

I'm sure it can still be argued that you do, but I know many people using gear who look at me like I'm on crack if I mention PCT/SERMS.  Natural recovery is very much prevelant, of course it is.  Ideal?  Probably/possibly not, but existant.  'New-age' OTC PCT needs a lot more research yet, but OTC steroid compounds exist, so no reason why OTC PCT can't.

All IMO of course, and I'd still advise people don't take the risk and have a SERM to hand.

Hi Son of Frank

How did you dose your PCT ATD?

mark118


Hi Son of Frank

How did you dose your PCT ATD?

Hi mate,
 
I used I-Force Reversitol which includes ATD but also several other ingredients such as 6 Bromo. Am in a hurry as I am off to work very shortly but from memory it contains 50mg ATD and similar amount of 6 Bromo - not been awake long though 
 
 You get 60 tabs in a bottle and ATD must be tapered so the recommended dose it 3 caps(2/1), 2 caps (1/1), 2 caps (1/1) and 1 cap over 4 weeks.

. double post sorry.

Yes SOF. It's stuck at the post office, but should pick it up tommorrow. Like most sup's it promises the world

Increase Total Testosterone

Increase Free Testosterone

Increase Libido (sex drive)

Increase Training Energy

Increase Training Aggression

Increase Erection Hardness and Frequency

Decrease Bad Estrogen

Increased Muscle Hardness

Decrease Cortisol (stress hormone)

Prevent excessive DHT production

Improved Mood

Increase Motivation

Increase Drive

Increase Training Intensity

Increase nitric oxide

Improved Muscle to Fat Ratio

Less Fat in Mid-Section

Increased Strength/Power

Increased Endurance

Faster Recovery

More Endurance

Faster Lean Muscle Mass Gains

Increased Mental Clarity

Reduced Stress 

It's basically got every herb and mineral related to increased test:

B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 4mg 200%
Zinc (as Monomethionine) 8mg 54%
Selenium (as L-Selenomethionine) 25mcg 35%
Copper (Chelated) 200mg 10%
DHEA 20mg *
Pregnenolone 20mg *

Proprietary Blend: 2811mg *

Gelatinized Maca Root
Tribulus Testerris
Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed) (min 40% Icariins)
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Di-Indolyl-Methane (DIM)
Arginine HCL
Avena Sativa (Standardized for Avenacosides A*B)
Cnidium Monnieri
Polygonium (Standardized for Resveratrol)
Panax Ginseng
Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longfolia Jack)
Nettle Root
Muira Puama
Guarana
Phenylethlyamine HCL
Rhodiola Rosea
Dodder Seed
Ginko Biloba
Rosemary
Lecithin
Mucuna Pruriens
Bacopa
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Gynostemma
Ginger
Yohimbe
Capsicum
Bioperine
heres the link: http://www.predatornutrition.com/pd-pro-cycle-160-tablets.cfm
  I like the bit that says:

** Please note this is a very effective testosterone and libido booster! You may see a huge increase in aggression or you may become "short tempered" with a dosage over 6 tabs/day. It is very probable that you will see a HUGE (and sometimes it maybe unbearable) increase in libido (sex drive). If "extreme" results are unwanted, reduce your dosage to 4-6 tabs or less/day.  
Here's hoping

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Bloody Hell mate, if that works like it is suggested it will I'll be buying 10 years worth!!!!
 
Will definitely be watching closely to see how you get on mate. Good luck with it.

Here's a link to journal
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Get-Diesel-Diesel-Test-ProCycle-test-log-sponsored-by-predator-nutrition-m3661766.aspx

picked diesel test pro up today so will update journal sometime this weekend.
Just opened them and their like desicated liver tablets (not capsules) with a powerful vinegar smell.
predator has put in a small plastic bag with 1 small red capsule and 1 larger yellow capsule in it. the sticky label on it says "pre-workout stack, geranamine (red) phenylethylamine (yellow) take both 1 hr before training". To be honest I love these sort of freebies but it looks well dodgey. I'll try them tomorrow

has anyone used Anabolic Extreme Advanced PCT for an SD cycle? or any experience of it?

If ran above standard dose, it would make for a decent OTC PCT

yes and didn't rate it.  For me 6-Bromo just isn't as effective as ATD. When taking ATD for PCT i feel i'm still "on cycle", still making gains and feeling good.