Archie's First Ever Hdrol Cycle Journal - ideal reading for Newbies

Felt incredibly tired and lethargic today, despite an early night last night.  Could this be the Hdrol kicking in?

My workout this evening went (just) okay, but I did find myself yawning a bit in the gym.  I usually thrive on a good session but not today.

Weird mate, ive never heard of hdrol causing lethargicness.

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I hope this goes well, im considering doing a h-drol cycle after my cut !

I fear gyno may have started!  Just my bloody luck.

A comment from my other half yesterday made me think about it.  Then today I have been much more aware about it.  Basically I appear to be 'growing' a bit too much on my chest. 

When I tense my pecs they are quite firm, but when relaxed they appear to stick out a little too much.  From comments I have read on this website 'bitch tits' would seem an adequet description.

I am now seriuosly worried and do not know what to do.

From the beginners pages I note that taking Nolva NOW is sometimes the answer to bring GYNO under control.  I quote:

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen citrate)
Nolvadex is not a steroid but a triphenylethylene with potent anti-estrogenic properties. Its clinical use is primarily in chemotherapy for cancer patients. It is very useful and successful in combination with a steroid regimen at reducing water retention and preventing gyno. Nolvadex is probably the most commonly used anti-oestrogen mainly due to its mostly positive effects, availability and low price. Controversy surrounds the fact that it anecdotally appears to reduce gains made on a cycle, mostly due to reduced water retention, but most users agree that losses, if any, are minimal and its always difficult to say what gains may have been made in its absence.
Dosing
An effective dose seems to be 10 to 20mg/day.
At first signs of a possible gyno, take 20mg/day until symptoms subside, then 10mg/day until completion of cycle and post-cycle Clomid therapy.


So the question I must now ask is 'do I start the nolva now alongside my cycle or ditch the cycle and commence with my OTC PTC and Nolva?

Help!

Gyno on H-drol

you sure your not just being paranoid?

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Gyno or H-drol

you sure your not just being paranoid?

 
I am totally confused.  My chest has certainly grown somewhat and would appear to stick out slightly.  It isn;t 'that' bad, but certainly enough to worry me.  I've stuck to 50mg a day thinking that would be a mild dose.
 
I'm going to try and upload a picture.

I think a picture would be helpfull yes

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Ok mate dont worry, never heard of gyno on hdrol, post up about this in the prohormone section mate and get advice from the experienced members. On Sd the first sign of gyno i got was an itchy nipple i started 20mg nolva straight away and that kept it under wraps.

I hope its not gyno mate but the others eg celt/daari would know more, if you get symtoms nolva should sort it, if youve missed it and theres a lump, is there? Then letro should sort that.

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Also if you got time google hdrol gyno and see what you can find.

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Cant really tell from that pic. I didnt think hdrol aromatised? but anyway is there any lumps behind the nipples? sorness? itchness?.

If not your probably being paranoid, water retention can cause the nipples to become puffy somewhat on cycle which really scares people into thinking they have gyno when they havent. Puffyness will reduce during pct.

Strictly business

Yeah agree with arnold hard to tell from pics bud.

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Cant really tell from that pic. I didnt think hdrol aromatised? but anyway is there any lumps behind the nipples? sorness? itchness?.

If not your probably being paranoid, water retention can cause the nipples to become puffy somewhat on cycle which really scares people into thinking they have gyno when they havent. Puffyness will reduce during pct.

 
Nope.  No soreness, no lumps or itchiness either.
 
Could it simply be water retention?  Quite possibly.  I am going to montior the situation over the next few days and see how I get on. 

It has been a few days since my evening  of panic concerning possible gyno.  I regret that I may very well have over-reacted.

I am going to put my concerns down to the comment made by my other half and severve DOMS from a previous mega chest session including heavy cable flyes.

Having visited my parents yesterday who haven;t seen me for three or four weeks, it was great to hear them comment that I was looking rather broad.  My mother said, quite positively, that I looked as if I'd bulked up a bit.

When standing in front of the mirror my shoulders certainly seem bigger, and I delighted to see that my arms are fractionally bigger too.

At weigh in this morning I am 13st 3.  That is 3 pounds more than last Friday. 

I am reasonably sure that the cycle has finally 'kicked in' and it will be from now that gains will be more noticable.  In fact I am now considering increasing the Hdrol to 75mg per day for the next two weeks.

With regard to side effects (apart from my unfounded panic the other night about gyno) there is nothing really to comment upon.  I have felt a little tired this last week, but work has been busy and I have been putting a lot into my workouts.

I propose to finally get round to posting measurements over the weekend.

Yeah dw mate i **** them when i got itchy nipples lol but nolva sorted that.

Nice weight gain so far mate.

Better take measurements soon casue your growing quick ;)

Upping to 75mg isnt a problem mate, assess the situation and up the dose if you wish.

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Right it has been a while since my last post.

Just to update you guys, as of Saturday (17th October) I increased the Hdrol to 75mg per day.

I am now taking a capsule in the morning, after lunch and in the evening.

My weight seems to be increasing, but I have noticed my middle (stomach) is a bit bigger too.  I am going to continue to pile on the food and lift heavy for another 3 weeks - using Hdrol for an extra week too!  Afterwards I'll work on losing any additional fat - or might it be water retention?

Water retention has alot to do with your diet so celt tells me, but ive never heard people say hdrol was wet for them.

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STOP the panic, you're worried about everything here man, you are doing well, you have a good base, HDROL will not aromotise or make you feel fat or bloated, gyno is sore, very sore, not just itchy you get real pain.

If you are eating you are growing and unfortunately you may add abit of chub, so to prevent that, lower fats increase carbs and proteins, but to be honest man, Chill, loose fat after the bulk, you are hardly obese or even chubby so relax and enjoy.

CONDOR


STOP the panic, you're worried about everything here man, you are doing well, you have a good base, HDROL will not aromotise or make you feel fat or bloated, gyno is sore, very sore, not just itchy you get real pain.

If you are eating you are growing and unfortunately you may add abit of chub, so to prevent that, lower fats increase carbs and proteins, but to be honest man, Chill, loose fat after the bulk, you are hardly obese or even chubby so relax and enjoy.

CONDOR I am sure you are right.  My panic has come to an end however. 
 
I am now focusing on enjoying my last two weeks on the cycle.