Article: Casein Hydrolysate – The Cream of Post Workout Protein?

I have put together a new article regarding casein hydrolysate:

Casein Hydrolysate – The Cream of Post Workout Protein?

You can view it through the Supplement Articles link on the right ---------------->

Or directly here

Please post comments and queries below

Very intersting read.  Do you take CH yourself?  Where can it be purchased?  Which would you recommend, Vitargo or WMS?

good read as usual James,

now where can we try this?

is it availbe to the public yet? If so where or when?

Cheers

BUFF

I was looking for it and found it on myprotein.co.uk.  Reasonably priced as well.

Tastes like off rats piss. I had a sample sent to me by the same people who supply MyPro. We did a taste test... man oh man... never again. MyPro rate it as one down on their worst tasting products (CEE and amino acid powders as voted for by their taste panel). I'd make it my top worst tasting supplement. I had to spit it out rather than swallow it.

This is a close your eyes, pinch your nose and neck it quick product. You can and MUST try to mask the taste with other products. 

weejimmy


Very intersting read.  Do you take CH yourself?  Where can it be purchased?  Which would you recommend, Vitargo or WMS?

I don't, yet.  But I'm on an 'off' period' at the mo.  When I reboot in December I may consider it.

I recommend Vitargo.

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Some companies add this to their products but you should see if you can find out what percentage of hydrolysis has take place and how much is in their product as a percentage. Because, as per James article, you want a servings worth rather than an afterthought. Because of the foul taste some add so much masking agents that the percentage of protein etc becomes lowered. 

Good read, certainly be looking into trying this soon.I imagine it will be quite pricey but due to the fact it will only be used post workout it should last a while.

Great Read James,
                 I Will try some and let you Know how i get on with it..

Nice one. Do you have details on how exactly it promotes insulin when drunk without glucose present. Why does it do this while say Whey does not?
 
Also, I thought gluconeogenesis would only take place if blood sugar was low? So if both whey.H an casein.H were taken with glucose post workout, would gluconeogenesis even be a problem?  

jack5r


Nice one. Do you have details on how exactly it promotes insulin when drunk without glucose present. Why does it do this while say Whey does not?

if you read the bit titled 'Why casein hydrolysate over whey protein hydrolysate?' the answer is there

James

jack5r


Nice one. Do you have details on how exactly it promotes insulin when drunk without glucose present. Why does it do this while say Whey does not?

if you read the bit titled 'Why casein hydrolysate over whey protein hydrolysate?' the answer is there

Sorry, my nutrition knowledge is basic. I understand that whey has glucogenic amino acids is lower numbers, so when when sugar levels are low they would be converted into glucose and not used in protein synthesis. While casein has the glucogenic amino acids in higher numbers so there would be more available for protein sysnthesis. I still don't understand how that promotes insulin though.

Glucogenic amino acids can be converted to glucose as well as being used in protein synthesis - whichever metabolic state is apparent at the time decides their fate, although there will be a degree of split between both pathways.  Seeing as hydrolysates are so rapidly disgested, these amino acids will be free in the blood quite soon after ingestion, therefore meaning a good percentage will affect carbohydrate metbolism and hence insulin, as well as being available for protein synthesis.

That's a good question actually, which took me down another avenue of thinking; so please, have I explained it ok?  This is, of course, all theory.

Yep, understand it now James.

Cheers.

James - just a thought but are insulin levels not already raised after training??

weejimmy


I was looking for it and found it on myprotein.co.uk.  Reasonably priced as well.

Yes we are the exclusive UK online sellers of PeptoPro:

http://www.myprotein.co...rotein-powders/peptopro/

A PeptoPro member of staff answered lots of questions re PeptoPro at the link below:

http://forum.myprotein....ing-soon-discussion.html

MP

Jeeezzz.... for the price I would say the majority of trainers are better off concentrating on the rest of their diet.

For the average trainer I can't honestly seeing it making that much difference IMO

Good read James

I've used it with athletes with large training loads to good effect. I used to typically use a 50:50 WPH and CPH in folk's peri training shakes in Aus where it is fairly easy to get hold of and have used it with a couple of groups over here.

When there was a discernable effect, recovery seemed a tiny bit better and incidence of colds etc lower. This wasn't by any means across the board and this in groups/people who are getting a lot of things right already though, it's certainly no miracle worker.

Various BB'er types are using this and leucine with the Dave Barr type protein pulsing protocols. Don't know if that is worth the effort though.

My flavour recommendation is lemon and lime which seems to compete for the bitter sensors on your tongue

mick_the_brick


Jeeezzz.... for the price I would say the majority of trainers are better off concentrating on the rest of their diet.

For the average trainer I can't honestly seeing it making that much difference IMO

Agree 100%. When the experts aren't sure if it actually makes a difference...

i tried this, its very foul tasting!

i think it would need some of the very strong flavourings such as a berry blast or similar using for things like cee to make it easily drinkable, i found myself gagging after drinking it, which is never good.

mobster, weird you mention aminos tasting foul, i have them in my training drink, and i dont mind the taste!