BCAA or Glutamine

Hi guys,

I'm new to using supplements for recovery and wanted to know what's better for me.

At the moment I'm doing circuit training which consists of 5 sets of high reps which leaves my muscles depleted and hurt eventhough I can notice gains.

What would you guys reccomend I take? I'll be taking the recovery supps along with my protein shake which I'll be ordering in the next couple of days.

Thanks in advance

25|5ft 7"|10st 5
Bench - 90KG(2R)
Squat - 105KG
Deads - 102.5KG
Zeddy's Journal - Mass Attack by Summer

What about including Beta Alanine and Creatine in your list?

How do they help recovery?? I think they actually work by an action which would mean he'd work out harder.

Although not a fan myself I'd look at the DOMS reductive qualities of BCAA post workout and keeping your protein higher throughout the day. In other words not just the one shake. Old school thinking is, all things being equal, if you're still sore you are either not recovered (so rest more) or need more protein to help repair said worn muscle fibres.

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Wilks


What about including Beta Alanine and Creatine in your list?

I'm already taking creatine!

I want to go for a recovery supplement

25|5ft 7"|10st 5
Bench - 90KG(2R)
Squat - 105KG
Deads - 102.5KG
Zeddy's Journal - Mass Attack by Summer

Mobster


Although not a fan myself I'd look at the DOMS reductive qualities of BCAA post workout and keeping your protein higher throughout the day. In other words not just the one shake. Old school thinking is, all things being equal, if you're still sore you are either not recovered (so rest more) or need more protein to help repair said worn muscle fibres.

At the moment I'm taking mass attack and will be finishing it off soon and then will be loading onto protein.

So you suggest BCAA then?

Any other recommendations?

25|5ft 7"|10st 5
Bench - 90KG(2R)
Squat - 105KG
Deads - 102.5KG
Zeddy's Journal - Mass Attack by Summer

Get yourself some glutamine mate from myprotein.

Cheap as chips 20 quid including delivery on a kg.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

Sorry mate never read the 'recovery' part!!

I saw 'high reps' and lost my prehiperal vision.....

Mobster


How do they help recovery?? I think they actually work by an action which would mean he'd work out harder.

Although not a fan myself I'd look at the DOMS reductive qualities of BCAA post workout and keeping your protein higher throughout the day. In other words not just the one shake. Old school thinking is, all things being equal, if you're still sore you are either not recovered (so rest more) or need more protein to help repair said worn muscle fibres.

I dunno dude, I think this is more common sense thinking than old school and totally agree. 
 
Recovery is a bit ambiguous, is the op totally blown out after each session which would mean loading parameters might need tweaking, is he mildly sore the next day or massively sore which would mean nutrition as a whole might need tweaking?
Either way I think the best of the bunch is BCAA, there's more training based research backing this up, especially the benfits of Leucine, one of the 3 bcaa over glutamine (the burns patient, hmmm, how does critically ill care apply to training....). 
Anecdotally, I 've only seen benefits and doms reduction from supplementing with bcaa; glutamine might be cheap but did squat for my recovery and I've read plenty debunking the myths of Glutamine supplementation as a recovery aid.  Interestingly, when I jacked up my protein intake to 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight and increased my pre/pwo protein shake to 20-25 grams a serving, that caused a comparable reduction in doms and an increase in recovery as when I was supplementing with bcaa which raises the question do we need bcaa if protein and energy intake is sufficient, hmmmm...

Peace be the Journey!

You dont need a recovery supp like glut or bcaa imo, just make sure your getting enough rest, eating right and not overtraining, ive never used glut or bcaa, just a few samples.

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Mobster


How do they help recovery?? I think they actually work by an action which would mean he'd work out harder.

Although not a fan myself I'd look at the DOMS reductive qualities of BCAA post workout and keeping your protein higher throughout the day. In other words not just the one shake. Old school thinking is, all things being equal, if you're still sore you are either not recovered (so rest more) or need more protein to help repair said worn muscle fibres.

I dunno dude, I think this is more common sense thinking than old school and totally agree. 
 
Recovery is a bit ambiguous, is the op totally blown out after each session which would mean loading parameters might need tweaking, is he mildly sore the next day or massively sore which would mean nutrition as a whole might need tweaking?
Either way I think the best of the bunch is BCAA, there's more training based research backing this up, especially the benfits of Leucine, one of the 3 bcaa over glutamine (the burns patient, hmmm, how does critically ill care apply to training....). 
Anecdotally, I 've only seen benefits and doms reduction from supplementing with bcaa; glutamine might be cheap but did squat for my recovery and I've read plenty debunking the myths of Glutamine supplementation as a recovery aid.  Interestingly, when I jacked up my protein intake to 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight and increased my pre/pwo protein shake to 20-25 grams a serving, that caused a comparable reduction in doms and an increase in recovery as when I was supplementing with bcaa which raises the question do we need bcaa if protein and energy intake is sufficient, hmmmm...

Agreed. I've stated that success with L-Glut seems diet dependant. Mine is so rich in both BCAA and L-Glut from the massive amounts of whey I consume along with a (mostly) healthy diet that my adding these in would be a waste or of little additional benefit. Others, however, often fail to reveal just how piss poor theirs are. From 30g of protein only following a workout and then sandwiches for lunch yet claiming (in one case) 'my diet is spot on' to worse.

Almost without fail every time someone actually puts up info on what they do you could drive a bus through the **** ups. I suggested BCAA ONLY because of the many DOMS reduction success stories I've seen. Otherwise he needs to rest more and up his protein. End of. 

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Mobster


Otherwise he needs to rest more and up his protein. End of. 

That's exactly what I was looking for! To find out if I need it or if I don't!

Like mentioned in previous posts, I've been taking mass attack and now will be back on protein (possibly 90+), and I think that might be one problem and the other might be that I only started this routine 2 weeks ago and my muscles havn't adjusted to the high reps I'm doing.

I might just try glutamine (simply because of the price) if the protein doesn't work.

Cheers guys



 

25|5ft 7"|10st 5
Bench - 90KG(2R)
Squat - 105KG
Deads - 102.5KG
Zeddy's Journal - Mass Attack by Summer

Why not try the rest. Costs nothing. Just take an extra day off and see what happens.

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Icemansoldier


You dont need a recovery supp like glut or bcaa imo, just make sure your getting enough rest, eating right and not overtraining, ive never used glut or bcaa, just a few samples.

Why are you giving advice on a supplement you obviously have no experience with.
 
Glutamine can be a great addition to a trainers diet.
 
Buy some, use between 15-30g per day,vary the amount on training days to non training days.
 
And see how you get on,if you think it's off no benefit to you then simply do not use it,but if like me you find it to be of great benefit,then you may wanna use it as a regular part of your diet.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

MakaLOLi - i simple explaning none are needed, simple as. Everyone else understood it, funny you didnt.

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Simply do not give adivce on a product you have no knowledge on,it would be more helpful to the OP.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

Why would i suggest for the OP to use it when he may not need it. Ive stated why in above posts.

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Why would i suggest for the OP to use it when he may not need it. Ive stated why in above posts.

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How can you suggest anything when you have no experience on, or with the product.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

Naughty step both of you. Now!!

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Guys,

I only wanted some opinions and didn't mean to start an argument

I've decided to test glutamine on my next cycle (start of december)

Cheers for your input

25|5ft 7"|10st 5
Bench - 90KG(2R)
Squat - 105KG
Deads - 102.5KG
Zeddy's Journal - Mass Attack by Summer