Bent Over Barbell Rows

Hah, cheers, hope so!

Wow aren't you a little wordsmith! When you say that you wouldn't do something, in the context of giving advice to someone, which you are trying to do, it can generally be taken to mean "I wouldn't if I was you", in other words you are advising against it. Otherwise you would just be telling anecdotes about your own training that are completely unrelated to the OP's question.

You advise against deadlifting and rowing on the same day on the basis that you wouldn't do it in your current routine. But your current routine, DC, is an upper/lower split, and therefore has inherently higher frequency and lower volume per session than a body part split, like Tony is using. It is also very reductive to pigeonhole deadlifting into a 'back thickness' movement because obviously you know it works many many more muscles than just the erectors/traps etc.

I am not suggesting that anyone who lifts heavy weight is cheating, no. What I am suggesting is that if a person was to do BOR with an underhand grip with, say, 120kg, with slow controlled form, they would be exceptionally strong. Furthermore I never said using explosive reps was cheating, it is just a different technique that will obviously allow you to use more weight.

The reason i ask is that i can lift more with the E Z bar. It seems better suited to me. I seem to struggle with the straight bar and sometime end up with a sore back (not very painful, but more annoying).
 
I just wasn't sure if the E Z would 'hinder' the exercise in some way.
 
Thanks for the input lads

pauld


The reason i ask is that i can life more with the E Z bar. It seems better suited to me. I seem to struggle with the straight bar and sometime end up with a sore back (not very painful, but more annoying).

I just wasn't sure if the E Z would 'hinder' the exercise in some way.

Which way do you hold the bar? Overhand or underhand? And if overhand, which part of the curve on the ez bar do you hold, ie do you have your wrists facing outward or facing inward?

This most likely isn't the case but worth a stab anyway - when you say you find it easier to do rows with an ez bar are you takin into account that ez bars weigh less than standard barbells??

Ck you are failing miserably in your explanation fella,Yes I wouldn't is a little different to a categoric 'shouldn't ,i was not generalizing as you are blatantly trying to do,in defense of your lack of reading my post correctly in the first place.My original point of the use the EZ bar still stands,even taking into account the use of underhand grip???With my training aims i would never structure my workout with dead lift,4other related back exercises then B'FWD'Rowing,and after Tony posted up his sample routine I can clearly see just why he is using only 60kg.
I also suggested that i would advise the original poster to do one arm D'Bell Rows before the EZ bar option as I believe the lack of length to the EZ Bar when loaded with plates,would severely restrict the movement when pulling into the midriff,more so with the limited amount of space along the bar,a Olympic bar is the better option,but it is obviously Tony's personal choice to use the EZ bar instead,but it may not suit everybody irrespective of grip choice.

So when you asked him what his routine was, and he told you, and you said that you wouldn't do the routine that way, that was in no way meant to constitute advice of any kind or to imply that you thought your way of doing things would be better? Fair enough, in that case I didn't misread your post, I just misinterpreted it. I thought you were giving advice.

So when you asked him what his routine was, and he told you, and you said that you wouldn't do the routine that way, that was in no way meant to constitute advice of any kind or to imply that you thought your way of doing things would be better? Fair enough, in that case I didn't misread your post, I just misinterpreted it. I thought you were giving advice.

Ck,you sure you don't see what you want to see when reading theses posts,1st I never asked Tony to post his routine up let alone critique it,if it works for him and his aims then good luck and I hope he do's get some silver ware!!!
My advice was regarding the use of the EZ Bar,and I also stated that I wouldn't put deadlifts and B'FWD'ROWS in the same routine,I never said Tony 'shouldn't' and most certainly never told him my way was the best way or that his way was wrong either.
I'm quiet sure Tony can stick up for himself and put us both right on number of training related subjects,there's no need to jump to anybody's defense CK or misinterpret posts that quiet clearly were not meant for/aimed at you!!!

This has gotten so off topic it's unbelievable. You haven't explained why you don't see the point in using an EZ bar though, particularly in circumstances where Tony has already given a very legitimate reason for doing so: he favours underhand grip because his overhand grip is fried from deadlifting, and he favours the EZ bar for this because underhand grip with a barbell aggravates his elbows. Could be the exact same case for the OP. Can you explain why you think that's not a legitimate use?

You also havent explained why you wouldn't Deadlift and row in the same session. In terms of split routines it is one of the most commonly done things in BBing.

Anyway I'll bid this thread adieu and take on board your points about my posting style, so I'm going to just start giving inexplicable personal anecdotes that in no way relate to the topic and telling people that their lifts are lame, "fella" ;)

Already explained my reasons for not using the EZ bar CK,you are most certainly not reading the posts properly or just skipping some bits,length of ez bar,restricted movement when loaded with plates and pulling into the mid riff.As for dead lift grip as I understand it is one over hand/one underhand,as for Tony's grip failing a pair of wraps would sort that straight out rather than using a cambered bar(in first instance),but he already stated he like the pump doing it his way.
I wouldn't deadlift and B'FWD'ROW in the same routine as quiet simply after doing deadlifts first I would be totally knackered and not be able to do B'FWD'ROWS with enough weight/intensity to do myself/routine justice,hence the choice of doing wide grip Pulldowns or close grip Pulldowns to chest preceding these exercises.
I shall also bid you Adieu CK,and disagree with your personal training anecdotes,and yes 60kg for B'FWD'ROWING is lame for a power exercise and me personally I warm up with a 100kg,although I can see why Tony would be fatigued baring in mind it's his 6th exercise of the workout.

pauld


Is it OK to use a  E-Z bar for this or should they only be done with an olympic straight bar?

Thanks

 
Simple answer- Yes it is fine to use an EZ bar.