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2006/05/30 12:23:13 (permalink)

Best for mass - Deca or Tren?

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Having looked into it, both seem pretty good. I'm gonna be doing a 3 month winter cycle starting in September-ish time and thought i'd decided on test/tren cycle but then i've been reading a lot of good things about deca in terms of mass. Between the two which would give the best mass increase without it looking like i'd turned into mr blobby? Obviously I want to grow on this cycle BUT I'd rather look a little smaller than look full of water. So I guess its size but not at the expense of looking bloated...

I think tren still leads the way in this respect but thought i'd post up here and see what you guys say.
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 12:26:48 (permalink)
    tren is not really a mass drug IMHO

    deca without a doubt

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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 12:35:51 (permalink)
    Are deca gains quality gain or more towards bloat tho? I'd rather gain solid lean muscle rather than bloaty looking gains IYKWIM.
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 12:48:10 (permalink)
    deca can bloat but you can take anti oestrogens to avoid this

    npp will give less of a bloat problem tho

    what exactly are you looking for from this? and how long would you like to run the cycle?

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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 12:50:45 (permalink)
    i finished a test/deca cycle a few weeks ago and have finished pct - my diet has been good and i havnt lost anything weight wise yet
    so looking good really cause i thought i would lose alot of water

    would have to vote for deca for mass
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 13:00:28 (permalink)
    Looking for mass gains. Using deca i'd be running 12 weeks of it (my reading suggests 12 weeks at a minimum). Also in my reading it suggests a further 2 weeks of test after deca finishes because of the supression it causes. I had thought of tren/test mix as i'd read it promotes good clean keepable gains.

    Incidently, which anti-e would you suggest and would you recommend taking it from the off (proviron right?) or if bloat starts occuring?
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 13:38:32 (permalink)
    id take proviron from the off starting @ 25mg ed and upping it to 50mg ed if needed
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 13:44:00 (permalink)
    deca is great but the recovery is hard
    tren is magic... lowers BF increses strength top stuff IMO

    running either with some sus would be a winner IMO

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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 15:04:23 (permalink)
    i'd suggest:

    week 1-3 60mg tbol ed
    week 1-8 400mg deca + 500mg test e
    week 9 & 10 500mg test e
    week 1-10 50mg proiron ed or adex if you're very worried about bloat

    pct starts 2 weeks after your last test e shot. the exact pct will be dictated by the number of cycle you have previously done.

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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 15:10:46 (permalink)
    So 8 weeks is long enough for deca? I've read elsewhere that min of 12 weeks should be considered? TBH 8 weeks sounds best due to the recovery from it but just checking . In terms of cost saving, is it worth subbing tbol for dbol as I can get that much cheaper (altho I realise there will be bloat off the dbol)...
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 15:23:51 (permalink)
    id run the deca for 9 weeks and the test for 10...IMO 8-9 weeks min. for deca

    Id also use dbol if ur after more mass
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 15:30:04 (permalink)
    Well I want this winter to be the winter of gaining mass .

    Looking to hit 16.5 stone next summer but at about 10% BF (currently rests around 20% at 16.5 stone). Fcuk the bloat, i'm going all out for size. I guess i'll be wearing thicker clothing for the winter etc so a little bloat won't matter
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 19:48:14 (permalink)
    My peronal experiance would be tren, Its one strong drug imo, tren and test prop gave me mass gains better than test eth and deca did by far. its a shame that both cycles are very hard to recover from as i lost pritty much 100% of the gains from both cycles.
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 19:58:19 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: THE BARBARIAN

    My peronal experiance would be tren, Its one strong drug imo, tren and test prop gave me mass gains better than test eth and deca did by far. its a shame that both cycles are very hard to recover from as i lost pritty much 100% of the gains from both cycles.



    What pct did you use out of interest,as im getting close to that time so all information would be usefull.Cheers

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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 20:04:14 (permalink)
    Tren without question will produce more MUSCLE mass then Deca.
    You will hold water with Deca and would therefore be more likely to gain more overall weight than tren but obviously this weight is not tissue.
    Both test combined with tren or deca makes an excellent cycle.
    It comes down to what you want, either more weight or more muscle.

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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 20:39:44 (permalink)
    I'm looking for muscle mass. I'd rather have the muscle built than weight gain. My actual weight could be 10 stone and I wouldn't give a ****... as long as the muscle was there, i'm happy
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 20:51:47 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Matt.Wild

    I'm looking for muscle mass. I'd rather have the muscle built than weight gain. My actual weight could be 10 stone and I wouldn't give a ****... as long as the muscle was there, i'm happy


    Tren every time then.
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 21:05:02 (permalink)
    Tren for quality gains, deca for poor watery gains

    For me, I'd opt for tren over deca
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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 21:23:19 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Backhouse

    Tren without question will produce more MUSCLE mass then Deca.
    You will hold water with Deca and would therefore be more likely to gain more overall weight than tren but obviously this weight is not tissue.
    Both test combined with tren or deca makes an excellent cycle.
    It comes down to what you want, either more weight or more muscle.



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    RE: Best for mass - Deca or Tren? 2006/05/30 23:57:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: barndoor


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    My peronal experiance would be tren, Its one strong drug imo, tren and test prop gave me mass gains better than test eth and deca did by far. its a shame that both cycles are very hard to recover from as i lost pritty much 100% of the gains from both cycles.


    I ran an extensive pct mate, hcg last week of cycle, then nolva and clomid combined for 3 weeks but gains were gone inside a week an a half mate of the gear clearing my system, Just wall water i rekon and yes even with tren. Its reached a point with me that i wont keep much unless i go on the gear full time.


    What pct did you use out of interest,as im getting close to that time so all information would be usefull.Cheers

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