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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/06 16:09:42 (permalink)
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Ive found them both to be very similar anyway from my own experience...


I found Tbol to add quality mass with less bloat than dbol but still with some killer back pumps at times.  Excellent med, if you can get it, as real tbol isn't as readily available as it was.

I found winny to be excellent at hardening muscle and drying out joints. It's effect on tendons makes it inadvisable for anything by occasional use.  



I found that both of them dried me out and flushed a lot of water away from me. I tried the Tbol once, but prefer Winny. But the only downside to the Winny, is the fcuking joint-drying. Felt like I had arthritus after 4 weeks of 50mg! I find 40mg for 25 days to be the sweet spot. So I judge by the price, and Winny comes off cheaper for me...

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/06 16:17:50 (permalink)
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M1T will give you even better results than Anadrol, but why anyone would want to do an oral-only cycle is beyond me. If you're afraid of needles, you'll need to get over it if you want to see proper gains because you're just p***ing around at the edges of roids on orals.

M1T is only good for 2-3 weeks though tops.
Plus the sides are proper filth!

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/06 16:57:34 (permalink)
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Liebow

Ive found them both to be very similar anyway from my own experience...


I found Tbol to add quality mass with less bloat than dbol but still with some killer back pumps at times.  Excellent med, if you can get it, as real tbol isn't as readily available as it was.

I found winny to be excellent at hardening muscle and drying out joints. It's effect on tendons makes it inadvisable for anything by occasional use.  



I found that both of them dried me out and flushed a lot of water away from me. I tried the Tbol once, but prefer Winny. But the only downside to the Winny, is the fcuking joint-drying. Felt like I had arthritus after 4 weeks of 50mg! I find 40mg for 25 days to be the sweet spot. So I judge by the price, and Winny comes off cheaper for me...

 
Just out of interest, what dose did you run the tbol at?
 
I've had it from a few different labs and it's been hit or miss, mainly hit though. One lab (now defunct) had it as a liquid oral which was just incredible - took it with me on a holiday when all I could do was body weight exercises, still gained off it though. 
Outstanding med if dosed correctly etc.
 
Horses for courses though, winny is on my "can't be arsed" list. 

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/06 17:54:50 (permalink)
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M1T will give you even better results than Anadrol, but why anyone would want to do an oral-only cycle is beyond me. If you're afraid of needles, you'll need to get over it if you want to see proper gains because you're just p***ing around at the edges of roids on orals.

With your stats, though, I'd forget roids altogether. At 67k, your diet and training are clearly nowhere near the standard they need to be before you consider a route that should only be used by serious trainers who've served their gym 'apprenticeship'. They're not magic pills and you'll achieve virtually nothing with them until you make a serious effort with your training. Roids aren't a shortcut, they're a legitimate tool to help experienced trainers push beyond their natural potential.


I know people that only run oral onlys and are in 10x better shape than alot of guys that pin, they tend to take it far more seriously than most and so see gains that comparable or better to your average gym meathead. Orals are massively underrated imo. 
 
Tend to agree with this sounds like the rest of your regimen needs sorting before you start gear but hey, it's your life.
 
There is know such thing as too small for steroids(unless under 8stone imo) and to suggest otherwise makes you look like an idiot.
 
Er yes roids are a shortcut i'm afraid.


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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/06 18:17:58 (permalink)
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Liebow

Ive found them both to be very similar anyway from my own experience...


I found Tbol to add quality mass with less bloat than dbol but still with some killer back pumps at times.  Excellent med, if you can get it, as real tbol isn't as readily available as it was.

I found winny to be excellent at hardening muscle and drying out joints. It's effect on tendons makes it inadvisable for anything by occasional use.  



I found that both of them dried me out and flushed a lot of water away from me. I tried the Tbol once, but prefer Winny. But the only downside to the Winny, is the fcuking joint-drying. Felt like I had arthritus after 4 weeks of 50mg! I find 40mg for 25 days to be the sweet spot. So I judge by the price, and Winny comes off cheaper for me...


Just out of interest, what dose did you run the tbol at?

I've had it from a few different labs and it's been hit or miss, mainly hit though. One lab (now defunct) had it as a liquid oral which was just incredible - took it with me on a holiday when all I could do was body weight exercises, still gained off it though. 
Outstanding med if dosed correctly etc.

Horses for courses though, winny is on my "can't be arsed" list. 


I ran the Tbol at 60mg for 4 weeks. When I did Winny for 4 weeks, it yielded pretty much the same - but with arthritus feelings in my wrists and knees LOL mine was from Veyron and one from BD.eu

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 13:33:19 (permalink)
Just when i thought certain idiot members of this board couldn't get any lower, I open my pm to find this:
 
From Sullivan0785
 
"Keep your thoughts to yourself otherwise ill travel all the way to your area and pound your girls ass til she screams my whole families name you punk. "

Lucca, hang it up bro
 
Mods check my indox if you don't believe it lol.
 
Sullivan the most damaging thing you could ever do to me is offer me some of your piss poor advice seriously. You sir are what is referred as "F*cking joke" and a "Keyboard Warrior"
 
Firstly no i won't keep my opinion to myself it a forum, thats what their for, if ya don't like it turn ya computer go up to yours mums attic room and pound your 10kg dumbells till your 10 stone figure looks slightly more pumped and less aneroxic.
 
Secondly good luck getting anything in my "girls ass" god knows i've been trying for years ;)
 
Third till she screams your entire familys name???? She will be long out of breath before she can rant off your entire inbred, dole dependant, social scum familys names i'm sure.
 
Oh and sullivan0785 btw... 
 
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop giving awful advice now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
 
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 14:03:37 (permalink)
^ LOL LOL LOL

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 14:06:28 (permalink)
dbol
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 14:08:05 (permalink)
FLOL btw.
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 14:09:10 (permalink)
thanks for lying to the whole world because u disgareed wit me and had to be a hardass.. go watch taken again and again and tell me if that makes you feel better

"Being a man when you don't have to is just a waste of testosterone"

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 14:29:45 (permalink)
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thanks for lying to the whole world because u disgareed wit me and had to be a hardass.. go watch taken again and again and tell me if that makes you feel better


As i said any mod please feel free to check my inbox and confirm publicly that this guy is total waster. I have better things to do with my time than threaten people over the internet.


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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 15:29:52 (permalink)
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M1T will give you even better results than Anadrol, but why anyone would want to do an oral-only cycle is beyond me. If you're afraid of needles, you'll need to get over it if you want to see proper gains because you're just p***ing around at the edges of roids on orals.

M1T is only good for 2-3 weeks though tops.
Plus the sides are proper filth!

 
why is m1t only good for 2 -3 weeks?
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 16:07:54 (permalink)
oxys LOL 
 
tbh there is no best oral they all work in the same sort of way. binding to the receptors increasing protein synthesis.  just some carry more androgen than others and some more prone to estrogen 
 
if you asking whats the best oral to hold gains after stopping which you are  id say there is 2  maybe 3 
 
dbol  var superdrol. 
 
agree some what  steroids are a shortcut 
 
BUT i know and have  seen plenty on gear who look crap skinny puffy zero definition some not even fat and still look pish skinnyish looking but  shoulders are more round full and more chest that's it. skins are as red as a lobster just horrid. its genetics at the end of the the day.  if you don't have the build before gear then you wont have the build on gear. sorry but that's how it works. unless you respond like a alien from a different planet and add 4 stone of solid muscle then yes you will look great but that never happens ;).
 
to many people think aw im just going to use steroids to get back in the gym and get huge like phil heath sorry no you need the base first.
 
get back WITHOUT STEROIDS and do it safe and natural. 
 
get a diet based on your calorie needs and divide  into carbs protein fats 
 
add in some supplements of choice creatine 
 
and then train like a beast build strength and what muscle you gain you keep.
jumping on gear adding 10lbs in 4 weeks or w.e is just water weight come of you loose lets say 6lbs you keep 4 lbs you could gain this natty from just diet.
 
to really maintain gains you have to stay on gear all year or else you will loose what nitrogen retention you gained when on as your natural body wont hold on to it.
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 16:43:08 (permalink)
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lee41

M1T will give you even better results than Anadrol, but why anyone would want to do an oral-only cycle is beyond me. If you're afraid of needles, you'll need to get over it if you want to see proper gains because you're just p***ing around at the edges of roids on orals.

M1T is only good for 2-3 weeks though tops.
Plus the sides are proper filth!


why is m1t only good for 2 -3 weeks?


Run it at a low dose for 3 weeks by itself, and you'll see why mate LOL
I got as far as 2.5 weeks myself... nightmare.

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 17:33:09 (permalink)
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lee41

M1T will give you even better results than Anadrol, but why anyone would want to do an oral-only cycle is beyond me. If you're afraid of needles, you'll need to get over it if you want to see proper gains because you're just p***ing around at the edges of roids on orals.

M1T is only good for 2-3 weeks though tops.
Plus the sides are proper filth!


why is m1t only good for 2 -3 weeks?


Run it at a low dose for 3 weeks by itself, and you'll see why mate LOL
I got as far as 2.5 weeks myself... nightmare.


 ive ran once before and didnt get no sides, currently running m1t + SD 2 caps each pd with no sides
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 17:36:22 (permalink)
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oxys LOL 

tbh there is no best oral they all work in the same sort of way. binding to the receptors increasing protein synthesis.  just some carry more androgen than others and some more prone to estrogen 

if you asking whats the best oral to hold gains after stopping which you are  id say there is 2  maybe 3 

dbol  var superdrol. 

agree some what  steroids are a shortcut 

BUT i know and have  seen plenty on gear who look crap skinny puffy zero definition some not even fat and still look pish skinnyish looking but  shoulders are more round full and more chest that's it. skins are as red as a lobster just horrid. its genetics at the end of the the day.  if you don't have the build before gear then you wont have the build on gear. sorry but that's how it works. unless you respond like a alien from a different planet and add 4 stone of solid muscle then yes you will look great but that never happens ;).

to many people think aw im just going to use steroids to get back in the gym and get huge like phil heath sorry no you need the base first.

get back WITHOUT STEROIDS and do it safe and natural. 

get a diet based on your calorie needs and divide  into carbs protein fats 

add in some supplements of choice creatine 

and then train like a beast build strength and what muscle you gain you keep.
jumping on gear adding 10lbs in 4 weeks or w.e is just water weight come of you loose lets say 6lbs you keep 4 lbs you could gain this natty from just diet.

to really maintain gains you have to stay on gear all year or else you will loose what nitrogen retention you gained when on as your natural body wont hold on to it.


Is Oxys a funny suggestion?
 
Their is a best kind of steroid for every1 actually, It's the 1 that yields the most gains with the least sides. Due to every1 being different that could be 1 of any of the orals suggested on this thread, for me it's oxys especially on an all out bulk.
 
 
It amuses me that you write somthing like "oxys LOL" in a snide condesending little way, yet you have absolutely no personal experience with steroids. Or so you claimed on another thread. So the information you have to contribute is infact not based on experience it's based on some1 elses, you should keep that in mind and you also highlight on any thread you post advice on
 
Also gains kept post cycle has nothing to do with the steroid taken on cycle, it has more to do with knowledge, diet, training and pct.


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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/07 23:05:51 (permalink)
oxys are an awesome steroid.
 
get lean 10% or so then hit 2-3 of them a day and tell me you dont like them.
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/08 07:18:19 (permalink)
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lee41

M1T will give you even better results than Anadrol, but why anyone would want to do an oral-only cycle is beyond me. If you're afraid of needles, you'll need to get over it if you want to see proper gains because you're just p***ing around at the edges of roids on orals.

M1T is only good for 2-3 weeks though tops.
Plus the sides are proper filth!


why is m1t only good for 2 -3 weeks?


Run it at a low dose for 3 weeks by itself, and you'll see why mate LOL
I got as far as 2.5 weeks myself... nightmare.


ive ran once before and didnt get no sides, currently running m1t + SD 2 caps each pd with no sides


Argh, it was terrible for me mate.
Your lucky! LOL

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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/08 07:35:31 (permalink)
What hench said.

Also, taken quote to get a troll, love it.

Still waiting to dead 300kg...... 
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Re:Best oral for building mass 2012/10/08 09:07:09 (permalink)
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Firstly no i won't keep my opinion to myself it a forum, thats what their for, if ya don't like it turn ya computer go up to yours mums attic room and pound your 10kg dumbells till your 10 stone figure looks slightly more pumped and less aneroxic.

Secondly good luck getting anything in my "girls ass" god knows i've been trying for years ;)

Third till she screams your entire familys name???? She will be long out of breath before she can rant off your entire inbred, dole dependant, social scum familys names i'm sure.

Oh and sullivan0785 btw... 

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop giving awful advice now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA Burned!!
 
On another note I ran Dianabol. Ran at 15mg was actually very good at that does for myself. Trained for 4-6 days a week for 4 years natural before I ran anything though.
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