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RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 22 February 2005 12:30 (permalink)


ORIGINAL: Andvarion

So the beginning routine doesn't have too much volume? It looks a bit full when compared to many people's routines.

I'm pretty much an ectomorph (hardgainer, skinny/slim), would this beginner routine still work for me?


Yep but if you are naturally skinny then you've gotta eat big to get big. The diet is so important for people in need of mass. Eat every 2hrs max. Eat lots of protein and complex carb along with good fats. Train with intensity and get as much sleep as you can as that's when you grow most.
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    RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 22 February 2005 12:31 (permalink)


    ORIGINAL: deMuRe

    Great article, I just joined the forum and I see a recommendation to read this after typing "Cardio after Weights" into Google. This is exactly what every beginner needs, I'm printing it out and reading it more then once.

    Thank you for the article!!!


    You're welcome and best of luck.
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      RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 22 February 2005 17:06 (permalink)
      nice one cashman
       
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        RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 01 March 2005 11:55 (permalink)
        fao cashman or musclebob:
        Im planning on starting the routine end of this month but theres something id like your opinion on. I showed the routine to a work mate whos gone to the gym for years he said it was very similar to his routine however he didnt advise deadlift for me at this stage. Obviously he has the advantage of being able to see me in the flesh. He was saying i should try to build up some strength in my lower back first then change to deadlift in a couple of months time. what do you think? Ive listed my stats below.
        ps im an ecto if you hadnt guessed by my stats.
        HEIGHT 6'1
        WEIGHT 133 pounds
        CHEST 36
        NECK 14
        BI /FORARM 10
        CALF 13
        WAIST 29
        THIGH 18
        Currently the only exercise i do is swimming appx half a mile once a week plus i walk about 5 mile a day at work.
        GOALS: STRONGER,Fitter and a better physique
        Hope theres enough info
         
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          RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 02 March 2005 01:25 (permalink)
          dont know whats wrong with trying deadlift, but with light weights mate :)
           
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            RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 04 March 2005 14:44 (permalink)


            ORIGINAL: dazzadwm

            fao cashman or musclebob:
            Im planning on starting the routine end of this month but theres something id like your opinion on. I showed the routine to a work mate whos gone to the gym for years he said it was very similar to his routine however he didnt advise deadlift for me at this stage. Obviously he has the advantage of being able to see me in the flesh. He was saying i should try to build up some strength in my lower back first then change to deadlift in a couple of months time. what do you think? Ive listed my stats below.
            ps im an ecto if you hadnt guessed by my stats.
            HEIGHT 6'1
            WEIGHT 133 pounds
            CHEST 36
            NECK 14
            BI /FORARM 10
            CALF 13
            WAIST 29
            THIGH 18
            Currently the only exercise i do is swimming appx half a mile once a week plus i walk about 5 mile a day at work.
            GOALS: STRONGER,Fitter and a better physique
            Hope theres enough info


            Deadlift is perfectly fine. Start very light and learn strict form... get experienced lifter or gym trainer to show you and monitor how you do it. Get into those good compound habits now. Your back will quickly strengthen and you will be able to maximise that 1st 3 month growth spurt. Same goes for all the lifts. Start light and work on perfect form. Strength and mass will soon follow.
            "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"... Friedrich Nietzche

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              RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 07 March 2005 23:32 (permalink)
              nice post cashman i wil l give it a read.
              Squat -115kg x 3(new best on the 20/6/2005)
              Bench -70kg
              Deadlift -105kg.
              Total -290kg.
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                RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 16 March 2005 09:01 (permalink)
                Hi Cashman

                Thanks for this thread. It’s proving fascinating …. And a little confusing too in that it has upended my perceptions and changed my approach to what I’ve been doing.

                I am 51 and begun training only just over a year ago. I modestly believe that the results have been spectacular so far – I’ve gone from a size 34 trouser to a 31 and my chest, arms and shoulders are carrying muscle I never thought possible.

                I need advice now though because I think that I’ve ‘plateaued.’

                My routine:
                Every morning at home I ride 20 minutes on a stationary bike.
                Every second morning (used to be every morning) I do 3 or 4 sets of abs.
                At the gym:
                On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays I alternate back & rear shoulder with chest & front shoulders - so it goes Monday - chest ... Weds - back... Friday - chest.... Monday - back..... Weds - chest.....
                On Tuesday and Saturday I’ve been doing arms and legs.
                Thursday & Sunday = rest.

                The exercises and sets x reps are as follows:

                Chest & Front Shoulders:
                Always:
                4 x 15 Pec Deck Machine Flyes
                4 x 15 Cable Crossover
                4 x 15 Dumbbell Bench Press
                Plus a choice of:
                4 x 15 Barbell Decline Bench Press
                4 x 15 Incline Dumbbell Press
                Occasionally:
                Machine Bench Press
                Machine Incline Press
                Plus always:
                4 x 15 Front Cable Raise
                4 x 15 Standing Upright Barbell Row
                Plus (depending on the time) a choice of:
                4 x 12 - 15 Side Lateral Raises
                4 x 15 Delts Machine
                4 x 15 Machine Shoulder (Military) Press
                4 x 15 Front Dumbbell Raise
                4 x 12 - 15 Seated Dumbbell Press

                Back & Back shoulders:
                Always
                4 x 15 Close-Grip Front Lat Pulldown
                4 x 15 Wide-Grip Lat Pulldown
                4 x 15 Machine low Row
                4 x 15 Upper back Row Machine
                Always:
                Bent Over Low-Pulley Side Lateral
                Plus a choice of:
                Seated Bent Over Rear Delt Raise
                Side Lateral Raise

                Arms:
                Always
                4 x 15 Cable Tricep Pushdowns
                4 x 15 Tricep Rope Extensions
                4 x 15 Bicep Cable Preacher Curls
                4 x 15 Bicep Cable Hammer Curls with a Rope
                Sometimes:
                Barbell curls
                Dumbell curls

                Plus, every time I go to the gym I do 3 sets of 20 x Hyper Extensions.

                Legs - I do the pretty standard range on the machines.

                I should mention that I have 2 prolapsed discs (L4 & L5) which occasionally play up and preclude a range of exercises. Also, I have a buggered left shoulder which can give trouble.

                I want to build muscle ....as fast as possible!

                After reading your thread I’m thinking of changing completely to something like:

                Monday: Legs & shoulders

                Wednesday: Chest & Triceps

                Friday: Back, Biceps & Traps.

                Should I change from what I always did before which is, say, Lat Pulldowns - 15 x 85kgs, 15 x 90kgs, 12 x 95kgs and 6 x 100kgs & 9 x 75kgs as a drop set and look at 4 sets of 8 reps @ 100kgs?

                I find it incredibly hard to get my mind around doing something once a week and accepting that it is better than doubling up for double results! I was brought up to understand that double the effort leads to double the results - maybe at 51 I'm real old 'Old School'.

                Thanks

                 
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                  RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 17 March 2005 15:16 (permalink)
                  You have mail but basically you are overtraining with too many sets and reps IMHO which is why you have plateaud. Try my listed routine and watch the changes happen.
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                    RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 18 March 2005 05:04 (permalink)
                    hey cashman got anything on stretching by any chance?
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                      RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 21 March 2005 04:49 (permalink)
                      Hi, I've been reading this message board for quite a while now, and you guys are seriuosly amazing. Thanks for being so helpful.

                      Cashman, I weight trained for the first time last year, then took 5 months off. Now i'm returning to the gym, and your 3 day workout caught my eye. I modified it some to fit my needs, and I was wondering if it looks ok.

                      Sunday

                      Deadlifts 5x5
                      Bent over barbell rows 3x5
                      Shrugs 5x5
                      Wide-grip chins 5x5
                      Lat pull-down 3x8~12
                      Barbell bicep curls 5x5


                      Tuesday

                      Bench press 5x5
                      Dips
                      Dumbell military press 5x5
                      Skull crushers 5x5


                      Thursday

                      Squats 5x5
                      Stiff legged deadlift 5x5
                      Calf raises 5x5
                      Dumbell side bends 3x8~12
                      Inclined sit-ups

                      Since I only have 4 exercises on Tuesday, is there something else I can throw in there?
                       
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                        RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 21 March 2005 13:31 (permalink)
                        snapple, If you are training 5x5 with high intensity you don't need anything else on chest day but you could always throw in a couple of sets of incline flyes if you have the energy :-)

                        As for back day.. there is too much. Drop pull do0wns if you are wide grip chinning. I'd also only do a couple of sets of shrugs if you are 5x5 on deadlift as 5x5 on deads with high intensity will obliterate you any way LOL.

                        Hope that helps. Remember that 5x5 is a high intensity rep/set method so keep rest periods fairly short and start with a weight you can just manage 5 perfect reps with on the 1st set. If you think you can push out 6 or 7 then add a little more weight. By around set 3 you should only get to around 3 reps with strict form when you first start out.
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                          RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 21 March 2005 13:34 (permalink)


                          ORIGINAL: MuscleBob

                          hey cashman got anything on stretching by any chance?


                          Unfortunately not though might be worth searching in the training correctly forum. As far as I go with stretching I stretch the muscles worked in my session AFTER the session itself (sometimes lightly during the session as well). Best done after as the muscles are nicely warmed up and blood is flowing freely through the tissue. IIRC stretching after also helps promote more growth.
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                            RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 21 March 2005 18:00 (permalink)
                            thanks cashman, that makes perfect sense. i threw the shrugs in there at a friend's recommendation (he's a physical training major), we'll see how tired i am after the deadlifts. thanks again, you rock!
                             
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                              RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 22 March 2005 19:39 (permalink)
                              Great Post Cashman. I have always been relatively fit but when i started uni two years ago i stoped exercise. i am know very serious to get fit again and am starting bb. probably a classic but i was majorly inspired by pumping iron. i am going to use your spit routine. your advise was just what i was looking for. thank you. Rich
                               
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                                RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 23 March 2005 05:11 (permalink)
                                This is getting ridiculous. Cashman needs his on website at this rate LOL. Ive only bothered to read the whole thing now for some reason, where the hell was this stuff when i started all those years ago (man i was stupid when i was young lol).
                                 
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                                  RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 23 March 2005 11:43 (permalink)
                                  LOL... Thanks guys. Just really scratching the surface here though as there is a whole world of info that you will find out about as you go forward (and much of it from the MT bretheren )
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                                    RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 23 March 2005 13:02 (permalink)
                                    great post cashman, i'm on your routine right now.

                                    i have a few questions though. About protein supplements, how much are we supposed to take? i read 1.5grams/ 1 pound of body weight. What does protein actually do anyway? Also i've read in a few threads that people also take creatine. whats that?

                                    also does anyone have a description or link on how to do the overhead cable presses? i cant seem to find info on that.
                                     
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                                      RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 24 March 2005 13:26 (permalink)
                                      ight, i want to build up my arms and pectorals, does any one know how to do this at home with extremely limited resources
                                      pls reply
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                                        RE: Bodybuilding for the Beginner! 24 March 2005 18:16 (permalink)

                                        ORIGINAL: jay j

                                        ight, i want to build up my arms and pectorals, does any one know how to do this at home with extremely limited resources
                                        pls reply
                                        fanx


                                        If you have anywhere to do them weighted pullups and pressups might be an idea mate. This won't build massive amounts of muscle but will add some, especially if you have something to weigh you down, even just a big book!
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