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British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 12:35 (permalink)
What a waste of everyones time.
Surely events like these can be done over a day, why have people hanging around for two days?
Its not just competitors its family and friends who realistically have to stay over at considerable expense.
If its down to the number of competitors then simply have stricter qualifing standards.
 
 
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    Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 13:57 (permalink)
    No, they cannot be done over one day - this was why it spread to 2 days 2 years ago.  This time there are more classes too.  There will be around 230 competitors this year.
     
    It's one of the 2 biggest competitions in the nnual calendar - needs to be over 2 days
     
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      Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 13:58 (permalink)
      ^ This - unless you want to bring out the classes, look at them stood side by side once, then send 80% of them home and go straight into the judging...
       
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        Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 13:58 (permalink)
        i did think that initially when they changed it, but actually i fully understand the 2 day format, and i love it now!  its a real 'event'  and you get more time to hang out with the bodybuilding community and catch up with friends.  Its a fantastic weekend away! 
         
        the saturday is a 'qualifier' for the sunday.  would be hard to limit the numbers of qualifiers too much more, as it is they usually only invite the class winners.  there are a growing number of qualifiers, and at the end of the day, thats what we want, more shows and a growing sport!
         
        hard to say who will turn up for the finals, and how they will look, so thay cant just invite say ten people through the year, as what happens if a couple decide not to do it, and a couple turn up out of condition??? would make for a poor finals!
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          Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 14:23 (permalink)
          Its a fantastic weekend away!
          I agree, it may be for the competitors but the vast majority who attend are friends and family of the competitors who really wouldnt be there if the person they came to support wasnt.
          Are we also saying that if bodybuilding continues to grow we will have three day events?
          Why not have the classes on seperate days and decided on seperate days, that way only the people who win their class need to stay for the overall if required.
           
          This - unless you want to bring out the classes, look at them stood side by side once, then send 80% of them home and go straight into the judging...
          Not a bad idea, theres nothing worse than sitting through 35 competitors when its blatantly obvious who the top 6 are.
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            Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 14:40 (permalink)
            Ok given you are concerned about the non-competing part of the puzzle,now you're in a situation where you have all of your friends and family turn up, to see you stand on stage, walk off, and that's it?
             
            This is better somehow?
             
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              Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 15:39 (permalink)
              Well if we didnt have so many competitors then it wouldnt have to be like that.
              The idea seems to be to have as many competitors onstage regardless of standard which equates to ticket sales.
              Just follow the money, how many times have you been to a bodybuilding show where the runner up has been invited to the finals because half the theatre has come to support them?
               
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                Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 15:52 (permalink)
                Just got back from the Arnold in Madrid and that was over 3 days!! count yourselves lucky
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                  Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 16:01 (permalink)
                  "Cherching"
                  Arnolds no mug when it comes to money, pile them in.
                   
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                    Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 18:13 (permalink)
                    at most regional shows, yes its mainly friends and family of competitors, but at the UKBFF finals id say a much higer % of the audience are bodybuilders and part of the bodybuilding community!
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                      Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 21:47 (permalink)
                      Yea and they made us amateurs each pay 180 euros to compete, 500 competitors you do the maths
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                        Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 21:54 (permalink)
                        2 day seems cool, I never seen a show and have spent nearly 380 ( plus spend there) on tickets, hotel and trains for the brits to see Dazc, Aaron and JP plus the others competing from

                        However my first show I may not even like BB shows, so what a good way to see the best of the best and If I dont like it I know its not for me.
                         
                        Fantom - 180 euros ****ing hell thats a pisstake
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                          Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 11 October 2011 22:11 (permalink)
                          had my sights set on the arnold madrid in the next couple of years,  think i just changed my mind! haha
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                            Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 06:15 (permalink)
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                            had my sights set on the arnold madrid in the next couple of years,  think i just changed my mind! haha

                            Best start saving now mate!!!
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                              Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 08:17 (permalink)
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                              Well if we didnt have so many competitors then it wouldnt have to be like that.
                              The idea seems to be to have as many competitors onstage regardless of standard which equates to ticket sales.
                              Just follow the money, how many times have you been to a bodybuilding show where the runner up has been invited to the finals because half the theatre has come to support them?

                              No, this goes back to Daz's point on qualifiers - what are you going to do, have someone take top spot in a qualifier and have the judging panel deem that they won't look good enough in 4 months time at the finals, so no invite?
                               
                              You don't get an invite to the finals by looking crap - if you look crap on the day of the finals, that is down to a messed up prep - that cannot be predicted by the federation
                               
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                                Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 09:17 (permalink)
                                With just the winner of each qualifier at the finals?
                                Thats around 15 competitors in each class and maybe automatic qualification for the previous years winner.
                                So thats 16 classes at 15 competitors each= 240 Competitors.
                                Surely the better option would be to have the Junior, Intermediates, Classic and Seniors on the Saturday (Done and dusted) and the rest on the Sunday.
                                At least then the supporters can get home without the ordeal of sitting through two days of it.
                                 
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                                  Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 09:46 (permalink)
                                  That's a possible solution - but ticket sales will be affected I'd of thought
                                   
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                                    Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 09:49 (permalink)
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                                    With just the winner of each qualifier at the finals?
                                    Thats around 15 competitors in each class and maybe automatic qualification for the previous years winner.
                                    So thats 16 classes at 15 competitors each= 240 Competitors.
                                    Surely the better option would be to have the Junior, Intermediates, Classic and Seniors on the Saturday (Done and dusted) and the rest on the Sunday.
                                    At least then the supporters can get home without the ordeal of sitting through two days of it.

                                    Then those classess, miss out on a lot of the support and recognition from a lower audience attendance.
                                     
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                                      Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 09:54 (permalink)
                                      Its not a good idea doing it like that, because to many it indicates that the heavier classes are somehow more important.

                                      Doing it the current way shows that every class is just as valid and important.

                                      And again, its hard to judge a class of 15-20 people in one go, much fairer to have it in a couple of rounds, and eliminate the weaker guys so that the best physiques get a fairer comparison.

                                      And, on top of all that, its the british finals, doing it this way gives the competitors more time on stage, which is what I want personally after spending years and years leading up to competing in this show, and a 15 week diet for it!
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                                        Re:British Finals 2 day event?????? 12 October 2011 09:59 (permalink)
                                        That's a possible solution - but ticket sales will be affected I'd of thought
                                         
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