Clenbuterol

People take clen for just that little extra help when all else is nailed toward a fat loss goal.

Diet (calorie restriction) = Main cake
Cardio (increasing calorie expenditure) = filling and topping
Clen (very slightly increasing calorie expenditure) = cherry

See my point?

 

For all of you out there that have thought about a Clen/T3 cycle but were worried about the t3 having negative affects suppressing natural thyroid activity this might be of interest to you:

Exogenous T3 and its relation to natural thyroid function:


An early study that looked at thyroid function and recovery under the influence of exogenous thyroid hormone was undertaken by Greer (2). He looked at patients who were misdiagnosed as being hypothyroid and put on thyroid hormone replacement for as long as 30 years. When the medication was withdrawn, their thyroids quickly returned to normal.


"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3)


The implications to this discovery are quite massive. In direct contradiction to the propaganda of many noted sources of bodybuilding literature, the administration of exegenous T3 will not produce any lasting negative effects on the human thyroid. This hormone can be administered indefinately without negative glandular reprocussions.



These results have been subsequently verified in several studies.(3)(4)
(2)(Greer,M. N Engl J Med 244:385, 1951)

(3)N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4 Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

(4) J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1975 Jul;41(1):70-80 Patterns off recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis in patients taken of chronic thyroid therapy. Krugman LG, Hershman JM, Chopra IJ, Levine GA, Pekary E, Geffner DL, Chua Teco GN
Sources: Iron, Jhotsauce7

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hello Partyboy, i got a little squared bottle of clen 0.04 containing 100 tabs...is written with russian or bulgarian i dont know exactly and a signature peaktop maybe its the company name... do u know if its good or not????

We need a pic to see if anyone recognises them. Post it here:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_156014/tm.htm

 

hello Partyboy, my coach gave me this schedule:
1st week: 2 tabs/day...5 days on 2 days off
2nd week: 3 tabs/day...5days on 2 days off
3rd week:3 tabs/day...5days on 2 days off
4th week:3 tabs/day...5days on 2 days off

what do u think about it partyboy?

Don 't like it particularly. For reasoning, please read through the thread.

 

why not partyboy, just give me quick reasons plz...coz i m gonna start tomorrow

Hello

Ive read the posts and they're all very informative. Ive been on a bulk for a couple months now and i now have to unexpectantly travel to poland in a months time. I need to cut up as much as i can in the next month. My training and diet are on point but i dont have the time to do a two weeks on / two weeks off cycle. In this case what would be the best way to do it? I know its not ideal but I was thinking of just doing 80mcg a day for the next month. Any ideas would be greatfully recieved.

Thanks.

Jayjay.

ORIGINAL: Dimmu_86

why not partyboy, just give me quick reasons plz...coz i m gonna start tomorrow

I'm not about to spoon feed you information mate. If you want to learn about the pharmacokinetics of Clen and thus how might be the best way to dose it then read through the thread. If you don't, then just do as you please.

 

Wouldn't do that Jay. tbh if you've only 4 weeks, then run ECA throughout imho, forget clen.

 

Hi everyone my girlfriend has just got back from the gym after taking 20mcg of clen, her first time using it and is bright red all over, anyone ever experienced this, thanks

how effective is clen for its anti carbolic effects? is it werth using with pct?

i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

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hi partyboy,

why not just use clen or eca on its own (along with fasted cardio and weights of course)

then take 1-3 milligrams of ketetofin b4 bed??????

As you probably know ketetofin keeps your receptors open so you can stay on either
med without its effect diminishing and use a lower dose of clen/eca and the sides are
minimal it also stop the alpha **** that shuts you down.

Hello PB...i finished my 1st week of clen and i st 2 kilos in my first week.. i am taking clen only and doing a diet...would this be sufficient for cutting or i have to take eca also?

ORIGINAL: stone14

how effective is clen for its anti carbolic effects? is it werth using with pct?

Some like it, so it has potential it seems. I personally would only consider use in a severe cut.

 

ORIGINAL: scorch

hi partyboy,

why not just use clen or eca on its own (along with fasted cardio and weights of course)

Some do use ketotifen with clen, nothing wrong with that. I prefer eph over clen, so a cut for me would certainly include eph for at least 50% of the time on a clen/eca cycle.

 

ORIGINAL: Dimmu_86

Hello PB...i finished my 1st week of clen and i st 2 kilos in my first week.. i am taking clen only and doing a diet...would this be sufficient for cutting or i have to take eca also?

You don't need to take eca, though if you were only using one, I would choose ECA of the two.

 

hey, gunna start my clen cycle,gunna do 2weeks on,1week off then 2 weeks on again,is the 1 week off long enough? the instructions manual advices to use 2 tabs a day, 4 tabs for extreme usage! is this a better way? or shall i do as u advice with the dosage, eg,1 tab day one, 7 tabs day 7 etc!

another question, is running in the morning a better way of burning fat than in the evening? and is interval training the best training for burning fat?

cheers pal

What 'manual' are you referring to brads?

Clenbuterol is not manufactured for our (bber) purposes and any proper patient information will be geared toward it's intended medical use which is as a bronchodilator.

Please post your cardio q's in the appropriate forum

 

Hi guys, im new to this and i need to find out an answer to a question i have. i know you guys dont give recommendations, im just after the facts and wanna know what should work.

Im a female in my early 20's and im looking at possibly using Clen as part of my daily routine to help lose a bit more weight. As ive heard (i know not to believe every thing you read) that its become a favorite in hollywood.

Im 5'2" and currently measure 7st 7lbs. My diet maybe considered poor to some, i tend to keep my calorie intake very low, around 200 kcals a day, eating only fruit and cereal. i jog for half an hour most days, and my wieght loss is currently slow but steady, but im looking for a bit of a boost before a catwalk show im due to partake in.

could any of you guys point me in the right direction here??

thanks Bernadette x

ORIGINAL: bwheaven

Hi guys, im new to this and i need to find out an answer to a question i have. i know you guys dont give recommendations, im just after the facts and wanna know what should work.

Both "work" in that they slightly increase daily calorie expenditure. They are not magic beans. Ephedine often provides the user with a performance/energy boost together with appetite suppression. In view of this I prefer ECA over Clen.

Im a female in my early 20's and im looking at possibly using Clen as part of my daily routine to help lose a bit more weight. As ive heard (i know not to believe every thing you read) that its become a favorite in hollywood.

Forget what you read in the glossy's - it's a load of sh1te. Yeah some might gobble Clenbuterol, but what you don't get to hear is that they have all the time in the world to accomadate a full excercise program with umpteen personal trainers on hand to motivate them at every step and nutritionalists fine tuning every mouthful. Clenbuterol is literally a very tiny factor in there overall results. Of course, the average reader of these glossy's hear that a "drug" is involved and think "Wow" I must get some of that, believing it to be the Holy Grail. Believe me, there isn't one!

Im 5'2" and currently measure 7st 7lbs. My diet maybe considered poor to some, i tend to keep my calorie intake very low, around 200 kcals a day

Then your thyroid production is probably shot to bits at this time. You are STARVING YOURSELF!

could any of you guys point me in the right direction here??

Yes, read the following and heed the advice offered to the female poster:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.asp?m=1832766

 

Thanks Partyboy, read all 20 od pages and knew ud come through for me with some help.

Yeah some might gobble Clenbuterol, but what you don't get to hear is that they have all the time in the world to accomadate a full excercise program with umpteen personal trainers on hand to motivate them at every step and nutritionalists fine tuning every mouthful. Clenbuterol is literally a very tiny factor in there overall results.

If i simplified that sentance, waht your saying is... if took the Clen, and had all the time in the world to excercise then maybe id see weight loss results im after? total dedication required.

Then your thyroid production is probably shot to bits at this time

My metabolism is very slow, i have found the less ive eaten over the years then the less i have to eat in the future, if i ate a normal diet of 1500kcals a day, id put on dramatic amounts of weight. Is there anything that can help this? does taking Cytomel T3 help?


thanks Partyboy xx

My guess is your metabolism is ground to a halt because of your dietary habits. It's human survival mechanism that we have our cavemen ancestors to thank. This was a time when food wasn't plentiful so the body adapted to hold onto fat stores at all costs when times were hard. Metabolism slows greatly and fat is the last resort for fuel; the body will instead catabolise muscle tissue. Muscle tissue is biologically active meaning it requires calories to survive. Less muscle tissue = less calories burned at rest - Not ideal as I'm sure you can appreciate and the total opposite of what you want to happen when trying to lower bodyfat levels. In a starvation situation what does the body do? Well it lays down as much fat as possible from the nutrients/calories provided when you do eat as it is aware that they won't be forthcoming for a while! You need to change your mindset completely regarding your diet.

My advice - Forget drugs completely. You are trying to cover the cracks in the Hoover Dam with builders putty.

Get your diet sorted once and for all in the diet forum. This is the only way to lose fat sensibly and consistently.

 

Thanks partyboy, need to get some quick fix sorted for my up and comming events, gunna try the exercise and Clen maybe.

but i totaly appresiate what your saying about my diet, i do know its a problem and i do need to get addressed soon. thanks again.

Bernadette
xx

EDIT:

I'm guessing you haven't read the rules to which you agreed to upon joining.

hey, been taking testosterone tabs for a few weeks now,wana start cutting in the next few days. Is it ok to take clen with testosterone tabs?

ORIGINAL: brads

hey, been taking testosterone tabs for a few weeks now,wana start cutting in the next few days. Is it ok to take clen with testosterone tabs?

What tabs are they??

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**** heavyweight 2

For legal reasons brad we do not discuss that particular manufacturer or its products. I will say however, they are far removed from testosterone tabs.

 

oh sorry about that! so using clen and the not so good testosterone tabs is ok? no negative affects!!!

There are potential risks and side effects to any drug. Read the Clenbuterol article for more information.

 

hi partyboy

i am going to run the following course in aid of a cutting period,
just 1 question what is the best way to avoid as little muscle loss as possible,
should i add high protein to my diet to avoid this

this is what i shall be running 2 weeks on clen then 2 weeks on eca

clen dosages

Day 1: 1 tab ( 20 mg )
Day 2: 2 tabs ( 40 mg )
Day 3: 3 tabs ( 60 mg )
Day 4: 4 tabs ( 80 mg )
Day 5: 5 tabs ( 100 mg )
Day 6: 6 tabs ( 120 mg )
Day 7 - Day 14: 7 tabs ( 140 mg )

eca dosages

day 1 to 14

07.00= 25mg efferdrine, 200mg caffeine

10.00=25mg efferdrine, 200mg caffeine

13.00=25mg efferdrine, 200mg caffeine

i think this is right, can you confirm if it is please.

thanks tainted devil

ORIGINAL: tainted devil

hi partyboy

i am going to run the following course in aid of a cutting period,
just 1 question what is the best way to avoid as little muscle loss as possible,
should i add high protein to my diet to avoid this

this is what i shall be running 2 weeks on clen then 2 weeks on eca

clen dosages

Day 1: 1 tab ( 20 mg )
Day 2: 2 tabs ( 40 mg )
Day 3: 3 tabs ( 60 mg )
Day 4: 4 tabs ( 80 mg )
Day 5: 5 tabs ( 100 mg )
Day 6: 6 tabs ( 120 mg )
Day 7 - Day 14: 7 tabs ( 140 mg )

eca dosages

day 1 to 14

07.00= 25mg efferdrine, 200mg caffeine

10.00=25mg efferdrine, 200mg caffeine

13.00=25mg efferdrine, 200mg caffeine

i think this is right, can you confirm if it is please.

thanks tainted devil

Looks fine to me mate IMO...

Diet and cardio are the key though TBH...

I see you've posted in the diet forum...

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1884134/tm.htm

Clen / ECA are the cherry on top of the cake TBH

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has anyone taken clen on its own without ketotifen?

ORIGINAL: billybobs1979

has anyone taken clen on its own without ketotifen?

Yep...

me

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this part interests me
"Aside from its fat burning properties, Clen is often used as an anti-catabolic to maintain muscular gains following a steroid cycle. A dosage of 40mcg daily would be suited to this situation. "

what exact purpose does the clen have in this case ?

If someone finished a cycle and is in PCT, and wants to actually reduce cals significantly in lets say the 3rd week of PCT and start cardio to los fat. Could Clen be used in small doses to help protect muscle gains ? I don't mean to use clens actual fat burning properties, but just to support a normal diet early in PCT.

And would it be ok to take while using Nolva ?

ORIGINAL: Northern Rocker

this part interests me
"Aside from its fat burning properties, Clen is often used as an anti-catabolic to maintain muscular gains following a steroid cycle. A dosage of 40mcg daily would be suited to this situation. "

what exact purpose does the clen have in this case ?

If someone finished a cycle and is in PCT, and wants to actually reduce cals significantly in lets say the 3rd week of PCT and start cardio to los fat. Could Clen be used in small doses to help protect muscle gains ? I don't mean to use clens actual fat burning properties, but just to support a normal diet early in PCT.

And would it be ok to take while using Nolva ?

IMO - yes....

Speeds up motabilism around 5% IIRC...

But I do eat more when running clen TBH

TBH though I wouldn't look to cut during PCT

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ORIGINAL: mick_the_brick

ORIGINAL: Northern Rocker

this part interests me
"Aside from its fat burning properties, Clen is often used as an anti-catabolic to maintain muscular gains following a steroid cycle. A dosage of 40mcg daily would be suited to this situation. "

what exact purpose does the clen have in this case ?

If someone finished a cycle and is in PCT, and wants to actually reduce cals significantly in lets say the 3rd week of PCT and start cardio to los fat. Could Clen be used in small doses to help protect muscle gains ? I don't mean to use clens actual fat burning properties, but just to support a normal diet early in PCT.

And would it be ok to take while using Nolva ?

IMO - yes....

Speeds up motabilism around 5% IIRC...

But I do eat more when running clen TBH

TBH though I wouldn't look to cut during PCT

I know it's a bit unusual to cut during PCT. It seems that gains I make on cycles are pretty firm, or maybe my PCT's have been good. Anyway, I rarely lose much at all during PCT. But I also always manage to aquire a bit of a fat belly which REALLY pisses me off.

Anyway, cut the story short. Summer vacation in exactly 4 weeks. Have just started 2nd week of PCT. Do you think it would be completely stupid to try cutting now with 40mcg daily continuing PCT for another 2 weeks ? I really want my stomach back to size for the summer, everything else is looking good.

Hey,

Quick question on the time of day to take clenbuterol? Normally i do am cardio 5 times a week, and then train about 3 hours later. Is it best to take the clenbuterol as soon as i wake up before my morning cardio or before my weights workout?

Cheers

ORIGINAL: Donut

Hey,

Quick question on the time of day to take clenbuterol? Normally i do am cardio 5 times a week, and then train about 3 hours later. Is it best to take the clenbuterol as soon as i wake up before my morning cardio or before my weights workout?

Cheers

IMO - because of the long half life of the

med. doesn't really matter

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