Clenbuterol

no can do. Not even 'allowed' a drop of water. Thanks for the help though

i thought drugs unless prescribed for an illness were a no no adil at any time of the year - not just now - or soon or whenever it is your thinking about? if so, are people selective on which bit of the religion to follow or not? i dont want to make any judgements cos i dont know the first thing about it but im genuinely interested - some might think that a casein shake halfway through the day is not as bad as taking nonprescribed drugs. if you dont want to discuss it thats ok and i really dont want to cause offense or question anyones moral or religious stance - but i do find it interesting thats all

can you take anything in the day or must nothing pass your lips? im thinking of glutamine powder with no water - it dissolves with saliva and i would imagine that to be of benefit if allowed - many use it before fasted cardio in the morning.

as an aside - it musst be a very hard time of year for you - i do understand to a extent how important it is for muslims? (is that right) - but i cant help thinking that if it were me how worried id be spending the rest of theyear trying hard to get bgigger and then worried about taking steps backwards. have you noticed much loss last year or the year before?

some might think that a casein shake halfway through the day is not as bad as taking nonprescribed drugs. if you dont want to discuss it thats ok

Well i just asked a 'knowledgable person' and apparantly clen is a no go, not because it's a non-prescribed med, but due it's side effects.

can you take anything in the day or must nothing pass your lips? im thinking of glutamine powder with no water

Nothing must pass my lips

i do understand to a extent how important it is for muslims? (is that right)

You are correct

have you noticed much loss last year or the year before?

Fasting starts from dawn to sunset. Which will be roughy 15-16 hours. Last year i believe it was something like 12 hours. So it will be difficult this time around

but im genuinely interested

If you want to discuss anything, or ask any questions, just PM me

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i know clen help with catabolism, just wondering if it'd help with this:

in a few weeks i have to fast (religious obligation) from sunrise to sunset which will be roughly 14-15 hours. I need to keep as much muscle as possible so will be utilising casein and fats (should last upto 9 hours). Will taking some clen help with the catabolism?

I wouldn't advise taken Clen if your'e fasting...Not a good idea..It is anti-catabolic but not used like that..

PB,

I did not see this quesion in the clen sticky. Can clen show up on a drug screen as amphetamine?
Thanks Bro,
Ruthlezz

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PB,

I did not see this quesion in the clen sticky. Can clen show up on a drug screen as amphetamine?
Thanks Bro,
Ruthlezz

NO..

Just beginning a diet, diet is Carb Cycling with Cardio at the appropriate timings
to complement diet and gain maximium benefit.

Usually in the past I have used T3,T4,ECA etc, but always with a sensible
dose of AS to prevent as much muscle loss as possible.

However currently trying for a baby so gear is a no go, considering Clen, which
I have never used before I was going to do 3 on 3 off with ECA on the off period.

I am not stupid, without gear muscle loss is going to occur, however I have
heard a lot about Clen having Anti Catabolic effects , this may be the better
choice of "supplement" whilst dieting

What are your thoughts

Regards
Martin

I wouldn't rely on clen for that purpose.

 

I was not thinking of taking the Clen solely to prevent muscle
loss, I was thinking which of both would be most likely to
retain the most muscle, (ie the least oppressive)

Regards
Martin

I guess it's personal preference as I don't see much in it in that regard. I would rather use ECA straight through and forget clen, but some users have other factors to consider such as perhaps eca dependance issues.

 

PARTYBOY..

would it be more benificial to run a CLEN + ECA cycle rather then just one.. and is it fine to run the ECA all the way through say a 12 week period while keeping the CLEN on a 2 wks on 2 off system. any downside to running these side by side? also is it unreasonable to seek lean mass gains while on a ECA CLEN cycle if proper weights and maybe an aas is used. would anavar or winny work instead of test??

sorry about all the questions.. cheers mate

I wouldn't run both together, your choice though.

ECA/clen suggests fat loss goal. This goal requires a general calorie negative state through diet and cardio. As such muscle anabolism cannot be expected, and only in fairly rare circumstances would I suggest steroids are used during this period

thank you for your info party boy. so not much anabolism can be expected but how about doing everything i can to prevent catabolism. any sure things i can do for myself to prent muscle loss if im in negetive caloric state and duing 45 minutes of cardio 5 days a week? or is it just innevitable that my muscle mass is gonna hit the ****ter? how about my strength? what impact will eca clen negetive calories and lots of cardio have ono my strength? thanks again mate.

I'm currently an athlete competing in Triathlons and Running/Biking races.

Does anyone know of the implications of using Clen with endurance type sports.
Have read mixed articles on the possible side effect of clen producing more collagen within the heart hence making it unable to beat as powerfully.

If Clen is no good for endurance what else can I look into to boost performance.

Cheers as always/.

partyboy i am 160lbs with around 18%BF i am going to start a cutting cycle including winstrol - proviron and clenbuterol
i will use the clenbuterol for 3 weeks on this dosage:
Day 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

Dose 40 40 40 60 60 60 80 80 100 100 100 120 120 100 100 80 80 60 60 40 40
is that a good idea?
and is it ok to use clen while on winstrol and proviron?

Dimmu how tall are you and whats your gender? Age too

i am male 172 cm

5'8 and at around 11 stone at 18% bodyfat?

What the are you going to cut into exactly?

i dont understand ur question
i just posted my cycle and asked for an adive...can u give me a clear advice

at 18% BF and 160lbs and 5'8 what lean muscle do you really have to warrant a cut mate?

cutting is for exposing a decently muscled physique, using drugs as well is to keep hold of mass that is at risk of loss as well

You dont have the mass IMO to warrant using clen or even anabolics, you just need to learn how to eat and train

i was looking at the article.. i was thinking of doing the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.. i am currently on a pct from a sd/epi cycle.. i dont think i would like the effects of ECA, so is it ok to just take the two weeks off and continue with my pct. i am taking nolva standard 21 days and starting my hyperdrol x2 and ibe x lean

maybe its a silly question
is eca or clenbuterol is better
i know they are different, but i wonder yr opinion guys which works better do u think?
cheers

my journal
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2553525/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2553554

one of my mates has a load of spare clen

my question is does clen help for pct

if so is this proven and if so at what amounts of clen should you be taking.

i am running nolva for pcy but wondered if i should add clen too.

I started clen cycle as part of my stack of nandrotest 500, tri-tren 150.

I started with 80 mcgs 2 tabs (40 mcgs each) with the intention of getting to around 160 mcgs or my max asap. Iaim to stay at max for remainder of 2 weeks - then 2 weeks off, then back on. I also plan to use at 40mcgs for pct. No probs so far apart from a little sleepless 1st night. Can you give mesome basic advice on what i should be eating and would Ritalin or risperdol help?

Sorry, my last reply was meant for PARTYBOY

Hi just wondering if those that have completed a full course of Clen / Eph can comment on their fat loss? Also what dosages of Clen and Eph did you use? Ta

Rub the mystical moustache for instant weight loss. Failing that head over to Nigel's blog:

http://nigeepoo.blogspot.com/

Is it true that clen can reduce thyroid hormone output?

Guys your posts will be noticed much more, if you have a specific question about clen use, if you make a new thread.

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would Diphenhydramine which is also an anti-histamine work in the same way as Ketotifen ?

ORIGINAL: Northern Rocker
would Diphenhydramine which is also an anti-histamine work in the same way as Ketotifen ?

similiar action but not the same from what ive read mate. Zaditen i believe is the generic name for Ketitifen over here and in Europe

Zaditen

thanks mate. Zaditen is a POM though which I'm having difficulty finding. I can get Diphenhydramine but if it doesnt work on the beta receptors in the same way as Ketotifen then it's pointless.

With regards to Diphenhydramine, i can't find any specific material. But people do use it to upregulate the beta2 receptors.
Its the ingrediant in the american version of benadryl, and lots of people use that along with clen

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With regards to Diphenhydramine, i can't find any specific material. But people do use it to upregulate the beta2 receptors.
Its the ingrediant in the american version of benadryl, and lots of people use that along with clen

ahhh, thanks, the plot thickens. Still none the wiser though. Wonder if PB knows this or any body with concrete knowledge.

NR - if you cycle it 2 weeks on / off at a time

your receptors will clear without taking additional meds..

Always works for myself

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Mick, I'm most interested in using an anti-histamine so that I can reduce the amount of Clen to be consumed. This med worries me to be honest. I've been hearing a lot of scary stories such as heart muscle necrosis (ok, in animals but still.....).

Hi PB I have been ready your post and I am very keen on yor T3
>Clen post especially.
>I worked out for about 2 year flat out no roids only usual
>creatine testo boosters and fat burners. I was 12st 12 lbs when I
>started and 27% body fat, at the end I was 12st 6lbs and 21% body
>fat but not really any stronger. I popped a disk in my back and
>have been off for about a year and I have put on at least 14lbs of
>pure fat.
>I bought some T3(100 tabs) yesterday and some clen (200 tabs). I
>am a complete novice to this and would appreciate any help you can
>give me. I read your cycles but as well as being a novice I am
>thick. Lol. Can you give me a cycle and dosage to take so I dont
>do damage and what type of cardio diet and weight plan would you
>recommend.
>When I started 2 year ago I worked 2 hours a day 6 days a week
>mixing cardio and weights daily. I didnt want to get huge just
>defined/toned and slighly bigger than I was. I look like a barrel
>now and I have a massive task to get back to shape and I need any
>help available to me.
>Thanks for any help and advice you can give.

ORIGINAL: johnoattes

Hi PB I have been ready your post and I am very keen on yor T3
>Clen post especially.
>I worked out for about 2 year flat out no roids only usual
>creatine testo boosters and fat burners. I was 12st 12 lbs when I
>started and 27% body fat, at the end I was 12st 6lbs and 21% body
>fat but not really any stronger. I popped a disk in my back and
>have been off for about a year and I have put on at least 14lbs of
>pure fat.
>I bought some T3(100 tabs) yesterday and some clen (200 tabs). I
>am a complete novice to this and would appreciate any help you can
>give me. I read your cycles but as well as being a novice I am
>thick. Lol. Can you give me a cycle and dosage to take so I dont
>do damage and what type of cardio diet and weight plan would you
>recommend.
>When I started 2 year ago I worked 2 hours a day 6 days a week
>mixing cardio and weights daily. I didnt want to get huge just
>defined/toned and slighly bigger than I was. I look like a barrel
>now and I have a massive task to get back to shape and I need any
>help available to me.
>Thanks for any help and advice you can give.

If you are that big, you don't need clen, just diet, and then cardio... and then , a long way in the future.. clen

Hi Party Boy,
I'm a 21yr old female, about 115lb and 5'4. I'm not realy trying to lose too much weight . maybe 5 lbs in total but mostly tone up. I have 2 1/2 weeks until VEGAS. eek :/...I eat pretty well with the occassional cheat but need some recommendations and opinions on what to do for a quick tone up. I workout atleast 5 x a week. Cardio 30 mins a day and just started incorporating weight training 2 x a week, but very mild. I've used clen once before. Pill form, I was told to start at a very very low dosage and go up every 3 days. Reading the forum leads me to believe I might've started too low b.c. by the 2nd week is when i was taking a full. I was on for about 2 1/2 weeks and did see results but to be honest didn't follow the strictest diet. I also doubted it was clen in the first place but not so much after since the side effects were similar. The #1 reason I didn't get the maximum results was due to the very drowsy lazy feeling and demotivation the clen gave me. The shakes didn't bother me too much but the headaches were the absolute worst. I know I lost inches here and there so I don't mind going through it all again for the results. I just bought 50 in pill form..I actually was looking for the liquid form since I was told it's more for targeting areas through injection BUT can't find it anywhere. Also after reading the forum you mentioned the 2 weeks on clen and 2 weeks on ECA numerous times, was that aimed for usage by women as well?? Any suggestion from you will help..please note that I only want to lean up and don't want to be bulky at all, that's mostly why I refrain from doing any weights..Also any extreme changes and restrictions in diet is fine...I'm very good at keeping to it... Looking forward to hearing what you think!
THank a bunch & sorry it's so long!