Clenbuterol

Oh and far as the potassium thing goes.... Just eat Bananas! Got some potassium supplements the other day from GNC, just 250mg per tablet when a medium size banana gives 451mg.... I suppose the supps are good if you want to get some potassium at night without the carbs - Anyhoo, see below (from http://www.chap.com/diet3.html )

Banana



The perfect portable snack. They're one of the richest sources of potassium, which may help regulate blood pressure, and are good sources of fiber. Frozen banana chunks make a terrific guilt-free snack. Bananas are also a natural antacid and help keep your muscles from cramping.

1 banana = 105 calories, 0.5 g. fat, 27 g carbohydrate, 1.2 g protein, 1 mg sodium, 0 mg cholesterol, 2.2 g fibre, 451 mg potassium.

 

You can use a 1 week on/off cycle if you want, though I personally feel it is too short to allow receptor upregulation, especially given clen's long half life. Horses for courses I guess.

Regardless, I've no idea where they get the idea that "So if you're interested in making consistent muscle gains with Clenbuterol, this cycle may prove effective". When I read things like this in an article, the rest pretty much loses all credability.

 

Partyboy

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I read an article on Clen at http://www.****/Clenbuterol.php

It states that you can use Benadryl in place of ketotifen. What are your thought on this?

My apologies if this ? has already been asked

See below:

Another option, if you are worried about receptor downgrade, is taking Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (every 3rd week or so, for that week). Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.

regards,

People have told me when they were taking Clen they actually noticed there muscles grew more than normal. Does Clen help bulk up? Im using on a low cal diet with cardio to cut BUT Is it true it also can make muscles bigger than normal? It did state in the article that in animals it was anabolic. Thanks Mate

ORIGINAL: khany

Forgot to ask , would you still suffer from cramp if using the pct dose of 40mcg daily ?

ORIGINAL: Gorrs

ORIGINAL: khany

Forgot to ask , would you still suffer from cramp if using the pct dose of 40mcg daily ?

Unlikely tbh

 

Where is the cheapest place to buy Taurine from? Holland and Barrett seem expensive at £4.99 for 500mg (50 Tabs). I checked Zipvit.co.uk and they don't seem to stock them. Any other suggestions?

Hey guys..
Ive been cutting for quite some time now and ive come down from 300lbs to 240lbs without the help of any fat burners,However i have set myself a goal to reach 230 and i have finally hit a plateau which isnt bad after the weight loss already trouble is ive got 5 weeks till my target date and 10 lbs to lose . In my opinion 2lb a week loss is healthy and i was wondering that if i took clen at a very low dose say a max of 3-4 tabs do you think it would help me through the plateau and to lose 2lbs a week or would i be wasting my time?

Got the Taurine from Bulkpowders.co.uk in the end, but its also sold at myprotein.co.uk. Its a lot cheaper than Holland and Barrett :)

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Welcome SM

Clen may help but only minimally tbh, especially at those levels. Have you re-evaluated your diet and cardio efforts?

 

Hi there
I'm doing some research on Clen because apparently lots of Hollywood stars are using it to lose weight rapidly. Do you know of a female in her late twenties or thirties who would be happy to talk about using it to lose those final pounds - perhaps who went too far and used it incorrectly, experiencing tremors etc?
Cheers
Sally

Welcome Sally.

Clen will not lose you weight rapidly. Clen results in around a 5% increase in calorie expenditure at best, nothing more. It isn't a miracle pill. For example, on a normal 2000 cal energy expenditure, clen will increase this figure by a mere 100 calories. Thats the equivalent of eating a slice and a half less of bread per day. Losing weight rapidly is not an ideal situation anyway and will result in appreciable muscle loss. Less muscle = less calories burned at rest; The opposite of what is desired!

Ignore any hearsay of what stars supposedly do/take. There will be much more to it than Clenbuterol, be it personal trainers, nutritionalists, drugs etc etc.

 

there is no wonder drug out there if ur diet and training aint good then no point in taking clen..

i know quite a few people who go on eca/clen cycles then gorge on kebabs/chippies/curries then moan that the drug doesnt work complete false economy...

clen is very effective in accordance with diet etc and a great tool for any cutter

ORIGINAL: seyden

Hi there
I'm doing some research on Clen because apparently lots of Hollywood stars are using it to lose weight rapidly. Do you know of a female in her late twenties or thirties who would be happy to talk about using it to lose those final pounds - perhaps who went too far and used it incorrectly, experiencing tremors etc?
Cheers
Sally

Hi Sally, can you say what publication this would be for??

I also picked up from your posts that you seem especially keen to find someone who has negative experiences??

My concern is that this has the potential to turn out to be another negative piece on drug use in bodybuilding / fitness training in the same vein as a recent 'anti-steroid' piece put together by an Arena magazine journalist and featured on This Morning.

Just interested in the purpose of this article, the intended audience and how ballanced a piece your trying to put together as, and I'm sure my fellow bodybuilders will agree, we can do without another article that casts bodybuilding and the practices we follow in a negative light.

Hope you can understand my concerns.

Osagi

Haroo? This is osagi, wa yu rant?

Cheers Party Boy
Don't suppose you know of anyone who's experienced bad side effects from taking it?
cheers
x

Most users will experience side effects to some degree, the most common being tremors, pounding heart, increased blood pressure. I'm guessing you'd need to be seriously unlucky to suffer anything more serious than this, at least in the short term.

Long term usage may raise questions on its potential deleterous effects on the heart muscle. Very difficult to get hold of any form of conclusive data on such occurances as you'd expect.

 

Hi there
I can understand your concerns, but don't worry - the piece is for Woman magazine and isn't about bodybuilding at all. It's about women taking Clen as a means of losing weight rapidly (a new trend in the States) - these women aren't training and almost certainly not following a healthy eating plan. I've posted on the site because I was having trouble finding case studies of women who had used it for weight loss and thought you guys might be more clued up than me! I am relatively new to how Clen is used for training, but from what I understand, it's a drug that is only licensed in the US for horses with respiratory problems and side effects can include heart tremors and, worse case scenario, can induce stroke and heart attack - is that incorrect??
Sallyx

Actually Clenbuterol is licensed in Europe as a treatment for asthma. Run a google web search for Clen (main brand name spiropent) and you'll see numerous links returned describing the medications intended purpose.

As far as side effects are concerned, I tend to go along with what Partyboy said (then again he is the expert ), whereas you'll likely find evidence of minor side effects aplenty simplyby browsing the various health and fitness forums, evidence tying in clen to more serious side effects such as stroke, heart attack and death may be very difficult to come by and again very difficult to prove.

Actually Sally, I know that it's been done before but if the magazine is for Woman magazine perhpas its something worth covering again and thats the dangers of abusing ephedrine, a drug very similar to clen and also used for fat / wieght loss but widely available in the UK.

Recently I was shocked to find out just how popular ephedrine is with women looking for a slimming quick fix, discovering that some of the ladies I know are using up to 10 pills a day!! Now thats a massive dose by anyones reckoning and the potential for serious side effects and health problems is incredibly high with such abuse. The drug is actually that popular that its being sold by street dealers in my area (and I'm sure manyothers) along with hard core drugs such as heroin, etc. and as I say its a firm favoirte amongst the ladies wishing to lose weight without exercise or diet.

Anyway just some food for thought, but I would have thought if you put an article about clen in WOman magazine nobody will have hear dof it. But put an article in there about Ephedrine and your target audience is sure to have heard of it, perhpas even used it.

What actually amazed me the most on hearing how widespreed eph use was amongst non training individuals was that they also had no idea about the potential side effects or dangers of overdoing it. SO in that regard an article would be most welcome as nobody wants to see anybody come to any harm as a result of such ignorance.

Osagi

Haroo? This is osagi, wa yu rant?

ORIGINAL: seyden
It's about women taking Clen as a means of losing weight rapidly (a new trend in the States)

Then you're researching the wrong drug I'm afraid. Clen will not result in rapid weight loss, period. If their diets are poor and hope that clen will miraculously do all the work for them they're going to be very disappointed. If they're actually losing weight in a drastic fashion then if I were you I would look much further than clen as the culprit: it simply won't be due to this drug; much more likely dangerously extreme dieting and/or other drugs (with most likely a much higher incidence/risk of (potentially deadly) side effects. I'm talking here specifically of DNP (2, 4-Dinitrophenol) and the likes.

it's a drug that is only licensed in the US for horses with respiratory problems and side effects can include heart tremors and, worse case scenario, can induce stroke and heart attack - is that incorrect??
Sallyx

Its a bronchodilator as it relaxes the smooth muscle tissues of the lungs. As such it is as said an asthma medication though not any more in the UK/US due to its long half life. The side effects such as tremors are normally only problematic where dosages are approaching those to which the drug was not intended.

Stroke?
Well any drug which has the ability to increase BP and interfere with heart rhythem, speed and force, has the potential for imo this very small risk

Heart Attack?

As above.

 

Also, see:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-clenbuterol.asp

 

Hi Osagi,
That's really interesting about Ephedrine, I'll look it up
cheers for all your help guys - you really know your stuff
lolx

I would be careful though about looking at demonising Eph in an alarmist fashion. Literally thousands and thousands around the world regularly use eph as a leitimate aid to fat loss. If used sensibly, it has an amazing safety profile and results are comparable with prescription meds such as Xenical and Meridia. The FDA (Food & Drug Admin) in the US banned ephedra alkaloid products from sale in 2004 amid concerns over its safety profile. The tiny proportion of cases cited to justify their cause were extreme to say the least. Cases such as a college sportsperson who used ephedrine then trained out in the hot sun all day long with little to no water. The cynics amonst us might say that the pharmaceutical giants who market drugs such as Meridia and Xenical may have "leant" on the FDA to impose such a ban on Ephedra; It stands to reason - Massively reduce the public's spending on proven over the counter products such as eph means a massive increase in the filling of prescriptions for their own prescription only drugs, even though results are shown to be comparable in human studies. You might say this is a wild consiracy theory. But we're not talking peanuts here; The annual spend on eph based products in the U.S. was over $2 billion!

The FDA ruling has since been overturned in the courts as common sense appeared to prevail but we (they) are now left in no-mans land as the situation bounces from one court hearing/appeal to the next. The FDA appear to still be enforcing the original ban at this time.

 

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

I would be careful though about looking at demonising Eph in an alarmist fashion. Literally thousands and thousands around the world regularly use eph as a leitimate aid to fat loss. If used sensibly, it has an amazing safety profile and results are comparable with prescription meds such as Xenical and Meridia.

Thats the key tho isn't it PB, if used sensibly the drug is both relatively safe and effective. However as I alluded to in my post I was alarmed to hear just how much eph is being abused by non training members of the public, typically middle aged women looking for a slimming quick fix, non of whom I've actually spoken to were even aware that the drug is potentially dangerous if taken in high volumes / excess.

So I'd like to think that an article pointing out the safety concern with this growing fad targeted at the particular audience it's to be aimed at (ie middle aged women) would be very beneficial.

Osagi

Haroo? This is osagi, wa yu rant?

Yes mate. The problem as I see it stems from the diabolical situation that has stemmed from the U.S. "WE MUST PROTECT OUR KIDS" paranoia. What the FDA original ruling has done has pretty much wiped out the legitimate eph based over the counter supps that had clear, and almost always, good sensible dosing schedules. Now what we have is ppl obtaining eph hcl legitimately or from the black market which comes with no guidelines at all regarding dosing so what they are all deciding to take if they haven't access to a resource such as Muscletalk, is anyone's guess.

 

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

Yes mate. The problem as I see it stems from the diabolical situation that has stemmed from the U.S. "WE MUST PROTECT OUR KIDS" paranoia. What the FDA original ruling has done has pretty much wiped out the legitimate eph based over the counter supps that had clear, and almost always, good sensible dosing schedules. Now what we have is ppl obtaining eph hcl legitimately or from the black market which comes with no guidelines at all regarding dosing so what they are all deciding to take if they haven't access to a resource such as Muscletalk, is anyone's guess.

Yep, totally agree. Seriously mate it really is frightening when you learn of the abuse that is going on as a result of this seemingly widespread ingorance towards the side effects.

As such Sally if you read this, maybe if your article could be put together in a way that highlights the fact that its more peoples ingonorance toward to the drug rather than the drug itself which is the real danger. this could be backed up by refering to the drugs intended purpose for which it is perfectly safe. again its the abuse that is the problem here and this abuse comes about mainly as a result of peoples ingorance toward the facts, ie dabbling with things which they know very little about.

Osagi

Haroo? This is osagi, wa yu rant?

I have to say guys that I have found Eph more effective than Clen recently..... tried a two weeks Clen / two weeks Eph cycle for a number of weeks and was doing the same amount of cardio / same diet. Lost more on the Eph than the Clen but my muscles definitely felt harder on the Clen.

Not sure if this was a psychological thing as my general understanding is that clen provides no steroidal type effects - Financially though, the 'Pound to Eph' exchange rate is far better than the 'Pound to Clen' - My advice ? Stick with the Eph.

 

Did you find that Eph suppressed your appetite more and thats why you lost more on it?

ORIGINAL: wheycasein

Did you find that Eph suppressed your appetite more and thats why you lost more on it?

Nope, the only thing that suppresses my appetite is Amphet. Didn't feel any less inclined to eat with either Eph / Clen. I'm just a gannet really

 

Ok i have both clen and eph on the way to help me with my cut:

My diet and cardio have been nailed and fully approved by Toxic, James ect

I plan on doing this up until 12th August when i go on my hols:

Week 1 & 2:
Clen, taper up 1, 2,3 etc.. then 7 each day. with 3-5g Taurine & 200-400mg potassium each day

Week 3& 4:
EPH 30mg taper up to 3 times a day, with 200MG caffine each day.. no asprin

Week 5 & 6:
Repeat week 1 & 2 with a taper up maybe from 5 at the start

Week 7 & 8:
Same as week 3 & 4

etc...

Up until my hols.. prob around 10 weeks or so in total

Does this look ok to you guys?

Also, do i take caffine with eph 3 times a day, or only take the caffine with the dose before training?

Also what way will i do cardio, if i stick to normal cycling pace, will my heart rate not hit the roof and go catabolic?

Cheers in advance!!!

Ya Couldnt Bate it with a Ssssstick

You can take the caffeine 3 times though you may wish to lower the dose of both eph and caff at last dose if you have trouble sleeping

You should notice cardio is easier allowing for better performance with a lower perceived effort. Works well for HIIT style cardio

 

Good stuff.. so do you think a 45/60 min walk in the morning yield sufficient fat burning results?

Does my plan look ok to you PartyBoy?

Ya Couldnt Bate it with a Ssssstick

Should be ok if its a brisk walk. Plan looks fine

 

Sorry to bother you,

When im taking eph 3 times a day, can i take 200mg caffine 3 times a day as well??????????

Ya Couldnt Bate it with a Ssssstick

Is it 40mcg a day continuously for anticatabolic effects or 2 on a day off?

And do you have to taper up to 40mcg and down again when coming off?

THanks

Surfer

has anybody took clen during pct after a mass cycle. if so what dosage and was it worth taking thanks for any replys

Sorry to hijack this post fellas but I have a quick Clen question..............

Does anyone know if it is OK to mix with Prozac? Have a friend who is prescribed Prozac and I didn't know whether there would be any dangerous sides from mixing it with Clen? I can't think of any reason why myself..........................??

Once again sorry to interupt!! Any advice appreciated!!

D

ORIGINAL: Stilts

Does anyone know if it is OK to mix with Prozac? Have a friend who is prescribed Prozac and I didn't know whether there would be any dangerous sides from mixing it with Clen? I can't think of any reason why myself..........................??

Courtesy of Drab4:

Hi mate, yes they can be taken together with no problems, several people I know have done this

A few of the side effects can be increased though, such as dry mouth

Just keep a watch on yourself and reduce clen dose if needed

hey PB

just wonderin if you advise on taking taurine with clen at 3-5 grams a day??

is it needed or optional, if optional what are the benefits??

thanks

YG

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

I would be careful though about looking at demonising Eph in an alarmist fashion. Literally thousands and thousands around the world regularly use eph as a leitimate aid to fat loss. If used sensibly, it has an amazing safety profile and results are comparable with prescription meds such as Xenical and Meridia.

This interests me, as in the Nutrition section Toxic was commenting on how it is only of a very small help indeed in terms of calorie management (I'd still take it just for the energy boost you see and I think he'd agree on that).

Yes it is true that the pharmalogical action of Eph will not have a huge effect on calorie expenditure. However, results are more than favourable when compared to the likes of Xenical by virtue of other ephedrine effects such as appetite suppression which will drive down calorie intake and thus increase rate of fat loss.