DECA and Protein

Hi everyone.
 
Hope someone can give me some guidance here.
 
I'm fairly new to steriods, especially Deca.  I'm currently on a cycle which includes Deca and have read that you must load yourself with plenty of calories and protein for Deca to work properly. 
 
My Question is when I'm off cycle, should I stick to a high calorie protein or do you think its best to try to cut in between cycles?
 
I am currently gaining 10lb+ when on a cycle, but losing some of this when I'm off cycle, even though I stick with the same dosage and type of protein.  I thinking it might be good to cut up when off cycle, to keeping shocking my body for best results.
 
Any views are greatly appreciated.
 
Nick

Are you runing the deca on its own? what dose are you runing the deca at & for how long?

If your trying to put on muscle then high quality calories & protein are needed whethere you are on the gear or off so you will need to continue with this kind of diet when you come off.

Cutting between cycles is not the best idea, if you try lose fat to close to the end of your cycle you are going to be very catabolic resulting in muscle loss, best thing to do would be to run a bulking cycle then come off then run a cutting cycle next, runing a cutting cycle will help you retain mucle while lossing fat.

What is your body fat % around?

how many cycles have you run? Did you do PCT?

Regarding your question about calories and cuttting... Really, you dont want to be cutting post cycle, as you don't want to turn into a catabolic mess and loose all your muscle gained. Run a bulking cycle, then run a cutting cycle later in the year, and inbetween maintain what gains you made oh bulking cycle.

Aug 2006: 165lbs
June 2009: 208lbs - 15% BF
Current Goal: 210lbs - 10% BF
Long Term Goal: 224lbs - 10% BF Max

djbarry
 
Thanks for your response.
 
My cycle is basically 400mg Deca, 500mg test per week and 3x dianabol per day.  There is also Proviron and Nolvadex and even an HCG.
 
So from what you are saying, I should stick to high cals while I am trying to bulk up and then do a cut cycle.  If thats the case then I plan to get another bulking cycle in begining of next year (current one finishes in December) and then look at doing a cut cycle.
 
Presumably, when on a cut cycle I should change to a low cal protein?
 
Many thanks
 
Nick

Forgot to say, body fat is 24-5% (according to  scales at home).

thekingofleon7
 
Thanks for your response.  I have answered the previous post with details of my PCT.  This is only my second cycle and the first of injecting.
 
From what you have said and djbarry, I think I'll do one more bulking cycle after this current one and then I'll go for a cutting cycle. Although, I have no idea about cutting cycles yet.  I imagine they raise your body temp, which will make me even more of a sweaty bar steward!?!LOL
 
Nick

Thats a pretty heavy cycle for someone new to gear. how long you running it for...?

JukeGigalo,
 
Its an 8 week cycle, that i got off www.buysteroidsuk.com and I just added an HCG to help the PCT.
 
Not that experienced, so I just used their set cycle.
 
Nick

thats heavy for a first injectable mate IMO.

you'll gain well off a standard Test 500mg cycle... Dbol could be added for first 4 weeks or so as a 'kicker' but thats not necessary... Leave Deca for another later cycle, or if you really wanted to run it, try 200mg not 400mg to start, but IMO just go test.

Cutting cycles - Clen, ephedrine and these sort of meds will raise your body temp and tend you make you feel "rushy" (personally i dont like them)... but steroids used in a cutting cycle dont actually burn fat, diet and cardio determine this, they just help to hold onto muscle and give you that fuller harder look.

Aug 2006: 165lbs
June 2009: 208lbs - 15% BF
Current Goal: 210lbs - 10% BF
Long Term Goal: 224lbs - 10% BF Max

Emineckham


JukeGigalo,
 
Its an 8 week cycle, that i got off www.buysteroidsuk.com and I just added an HCG to help the PCT.
 
Not that experienced, so I just used their set cycle.
 
Nick

An honest mistake but never post sources mate.
 
Sounds like a good idea, a couple of bulks then a ccut should work out well.
 
You reduce cals & introduce CV when cutting but you need to keep protein high.
 
We can speak more about a cutting cycle when you are ready to run one.
 
 

Am i the only one that thinks this cycle is way to heavy for a newby

And at that if i have read it right a newbie with 24-25 percent bodyfat

****in hell tom daily your now right in the deep end ! If any newbiees are reading this remember do not belive all you read on the net !! my first few cycles were nyon 300mg of test for 8ish weeks and got good gains on all. It lokks like the newbiees have been drawn into the fact more is best ! Rome werent built in a day ! was it !  its becoming quite scary that these kids have know real knowledge and want gains today !! Just my opinion !  200mg week deca and 250mg test would suit peolple that just want to please the bird !
 
Eideted for language ! :
and spelling, sorry miss !

Falconski


Am i the only one that thinks this cycle is way to heavy for a newby

And at that if i have read it right a newbie with 24-25 percent bodyfat

Its is a bit hevy the test alone would have been more than enough.
 
My first injectable cycle was identacl 500mg sust & 400mg deca, gains were great but I went through hell in PCT & I mean HELL!

Thanks everyone for all your comments.  I'm a bit concerned now, especially about the comment made by djbarry06 about the PCT going to be hell.
 
Perhaps I should also mention that I have just turned 39 too, so I am certainly no spring chicken (even though mentally I might appear to be extremely naive!?!).
 
Although I have been training regularly for the past 8 years, I have noticed what appears to be the age related reduction in natural test, which has led me to try steriods.
 
I used to use ripfast (mega headaches) and then AXIS-HT and other supplements in the range, but I seemed to be making no progress in the end, which again I presumed was due to the age related reduction in natural test. 
 
My body fat has also started to increase (according to our new scales), mainly when on cycle.  I have heard that scales are very inaccurate, which I would beleive as I am only 33" waist, 6'2" and 13st 13lb.  Off cycle my BF is normally 19-20%, but again I hear that BF increases naturally when you get passed mid 30's.
 
I would be very happy to reduce the cycle I am on, as it is far from cheap.  I did have great resuls from an All Oral Cycle (Dianabol, Anadrol and Proviron), but at my age I was especially concerned about liver damage, despite taking Milk Thistle and Alpha Lipoic Acid.
 
Obviously, I would still like to get good results and I have seen great results so far, with no side effects whatsoever.  Still got a full head of hair, no acne, no temper etc.  From what everyone has said, I should make sure my next cycle (this one is finished after next injection) is lower dose and probably skip the Deca.
 
The main reason why I included the Deca was that I had read about the nitrogen effect and that the water retention assists with joint pain.  True enough the joint pain in my elbow has gone.
 
I appreciate I have gone on a bit too much already.  So I'll finish by saying any further comments are much appreciatred and thanks again for all your input.
 
Cheers
 
Nick

Emineckham


Thanks everyone for all your comments.  I'm a bit concerned now, especially about the comment made by djbarry06 about the PCT going to be hell.
 
Perhaps I should also mention that I have just turned 39 too, so I am certainly no spring chicken (even though mentally I might appear to be extremely naive!?!).
 
Although I have been training regularly for the past 8 years, I have noticed what appears to be the age related reduction in natural test, which has led me to try steriods.
 
I used to use ripfast (mega headaches) and then AXIS-HT and other supplements in the range, but I seemed to be making no progress in the end, which again I presumed was due to the age related reduction in natural test. 
 
My body fat has also started to increase (according to our new scales), mainly when on cycle.  I have heard that scales are very inaccurate, which I would beleive as I am only 33" waist, 6'2" and 13st 13lb.  Off cycle my BF is normally 19-20%, but again I hear that BF increases naturally when you get passed mid 30's.
 
I would be very happy to reduce the cycle I am on, as it is far from cheap.  I did have great resuls from an All Oral Cycle (Dianabol, Anadrol and Proviron), but at my age I was especially concerned about liver damage, despite taking Milk Thistle and Alpha Lipoic Acid.
 
Obviously, I would still like to get good results and I have seen great results so far, with no side effects whatsoever.  Still got a full head of hair, no acne, no temper etc.  From what everyone has said, I should make sure my next cycle (this one is finished after next injection) is lower dose and probably skip the Deca.
 
The main reason why I included the Deca was that I had read about the nitrogen effect and that the water retention assists with joint pain.  True enough the joint pain in my elbow has gone.
 
I appreciate I have gone on a bit too much already.  So I'll finish by saying any further comments are much appreciatred and thanks again for all your input.
 
Cheers
 
Nick

You dont need to lower the test dose next time or even drop the deca, just see how you get on when you come off this cycle.
 
When I say I went through hell on the same first cycle as you it dosnt mean the same will happen to you.
 
When I came off I experianced bad testicular atrophy, my libido droped for weeks, energy levels, depperssion, anxiety, big crash but the worst thing was insomnia, for some reason I was so screwed up I could not sleep for weeks which resulted in a loss of most my gains, it was pure hell though it dose not mean it will happen to you.
 
I wouldnt say there is a problem using gear at your age & I do understand your concerns with low test levels & age, perhaps worth getting you levels checked by a doctor after this cycle.

I'd agree with djbarry and suggest you get a blood test done after your pct. My first cycle at 35 was 500mg sus 400mg deca with 40mg Dbol kickstart for  three weeks....an eight week cycle, kept 80% of the gains(about 15 pound)using nolva for pct and Bulgarian Tribulus by Reflex. Just make sure that during pct(this is crucial)that you keep lifting as heavy as you can and keep that diet high in protein/slow carbs/healthy fats and keep a positive mind too, so easy to drag yourself down simply because you're 'off' but it's now when you'll need to fight hard so to speak!

But defo get blood work done mate, if your own test level is low then you can take the next step from there...

I think 500mg of Test per week for a newb is fine.

My first cycle started, a bit all of the place first dbol, then added prop. Then started a test E cycle straightafter.

Not what I recomend, I should of just done 500mg Test E with a bit of dbol to start.

Even though your at a high bodyfat, for now,  just finish your bulk, then keep cals around the same when you come off, add a low dose of clen like 40mcg in PCT so you can keep eating the same this will give a raised metabolism and very slight anabolic effect.

Run for 2 weeks, then you can also use ephadrine and various fat burners like caffine in low doses to keep ur metabolism faster, this will keep you lean while still eating and keeping ur hard earned gains.

Next look into a decent cutting cycle,

look into fast acting AAS like Test Prop, Tren Ace, T3 and Proper Clen cycles. Try test prop first, then add Tren ace about 5 days later (see if you can handle it and take a low dose to begin with, reaserch it well)  then you can try T3 the next 4-5 days and if you do as I said you will allready be familyer with the clen.

You will need to adjust your diet and add cario, for this to work properly of course.


The reason I say take compounds on there own so you you can see and feel the results/side effects of each one. If you take a bunch of AAS/Ancilaries that youve never tried before, all at the same time then you wont know which is good or bad for you.

At the end of the day make sure you read up well on all the compounds you intend to take, there are many good articles here on MT.

BUFF

 My dog ate my Tren