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I hate to start a topic on this, i just feel so low.. & i don't feel like i can talk to anyone around me at the moment. I've had a real nice new start to the new year with a girl i met & fell inlove with late last year, her father unfortunately passed away recently and it has really affected me as i lost my father at a young age too & obviously the fact she is so upset is hard for me to deal with as i am doing all i can to appear strong for her. Obviously these things are going to really make me feel low, i was just wondering if gear can emphasise this low? I appreciate any advise.
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Re:Depression
16 January 2012 01:40
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Id say the best thing is to be as depressed as you can be about the situation, which is a natural thing to be feeling about it, and that way you can let go and move on, don't live in the past and bottle things up. Hope that helps (I meant its ok to feel upset, this is normal feeling not an illness)
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Re:Depression
16 January 2012 06:11
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Gear can certainly enhance your moods mate some more than others. Tough times can be difficult to get through at the best of times. Hope you get sorted soon. Minger
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Re:Depression
16 January 2012 10:01
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Are you on gear at the mo Cut??
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Re:Depression
16 January 2012 14:25
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I've talked to 23 people who have used gear as part of my work at the University of Birmingham and some of them say that gear can exaggerate their mood. There is a little more about it on my blog - http://andrewjdewar.wordpress.com/. Im not an expert on loss or anything but it can be an extremely difficult thing to deal with. If I were you I would try and talk to someone who isn't directly involved in the situation. Sometimes just talking about it with someone helps. Hope things get better soon.
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Re:Depression
16 January 2012 16:08
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ime 19nor's (tren/deca) definitley make me depressed and anxious. i choose to not use them anymore due to it. all other roids in haven't had an issue with.
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Re:Depression
16 January 2012 18:50
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Hang in there mate, what your feeling is very natural and most people go through something like it. We are supposed to outlive our parents and many people are in relationships when it happens. She's lucky to have you there for support. As said above, gear can amplify emotions sometimes so what you are feeling might not be as bad as it really is (if you know what I mean).
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Re:Depression
17 January 2012 15:23
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I'd jus like to say thankyou to you all for being so sypathetic and supportive. Things will get better i am sure, it is nice to just have some support. Guess i should avoid Deca when i have so much on my plate!
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Re:Depression
17 January 2012 16:29
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I dunno mate i find that gear doesnt Really affect my mood and such, it can certainly affect the way i'll react to certain situations around me but in terms of whats going on inside my head, not so much. I also find that when i'm achieving things in the gym via training i tend to be much more upbeat and positive in other areas of my life. My advice is do what you need to do to stay happy and on top of things, whatever choice that means making, if it means dropping gear or changing gear or whatever, then do it, Secondly make sure you're there for her but don't neglect yourself either. Keep yourself happy and you'll be able to keep her happy and be strongerfor her when it matters... it's all in the mind this lark. Chin up anyway buddy, things can only get better right? Take care
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Re:Depression
17 January 2012 17:38
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I certainly have to add when I was selling my house the stress levels went through the roof... I think if it wasn't for the gym and being able to blow off some steam and clear my mind I would have lost it. I was on tren at the time and Ye, it was interesting. Use the gym as a outlet mate helped me sort my head out on numerous occasions! Minger
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Re:Depression
18 January 2012 10:24
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Its a tough time for you mate... Im sorry to hear ther bad news. Ive experienced a few losses last year, one really horrific one. I didnt fall apart because I felt I had to be strong for my wife, and I kept it all bottled up and appeared very numb/cold - despite I was being emotional and firm with my wife and giving her the support. Lets face it, a broken man + a broken women... wheres the strong support there? So anyway, after some time when my wife was more recovered, I felt it was time for me to grieve. Although this sounds very mechanical with an on/off switch, Im trained to do this with my job. When I grieved, I had the support from my clear thinking wife. But holding onto things for too long, it can bring the inner-c*nt out in you due to excess stress and fustration - and despite it can be justified, its a terrifying experience for those around you at the time. Believe me. Im still wracked with guilt over the household possesions Ive destroyed, and the shouting Ive done, and the terror Ive allowd close people to witness. Shocking behavior for a Nurse and family man..... but this is a testiment that we all react different to different stresses/traumas.... how we intervene and cope is the key, and its best picked up on ASAP rather than left for a while. Whatever happens mate, try and talk to a "middle" person for now until you feel someone has empathised with you. DO NOT go to A&E and say you feel you cant cope or feel suicidal. Just seek a bit of counselling - this is what we need friends for at times. And try thinking about how your a strong person today from your own experiences, and how this strength will allow you to help heal your girlfriend and make sure your the solid rock in her life that she needs. A women doesnt want you to climb a mountain for her when she is emotionally down.... just be there, offer support and listen to whatever she wants to talk about. In fact, do EVERYTHING she wants to do. Those annoying films, those weird dinners, those strange talks, the unfunny jokes, the helping hand with housework.... just co-operate with whatever she wants to do. Nothing is dramaticly changing, your just making her life a little easier and going with the flow and being "fluffy" for her... Remember these 2 things: 1) When we recover, we're seeking to get back on track to normality ASAP, so if she wants to go out with her girlfriends clubbing or wants to go out with you a little more - she is just expressing her desire to clear her head. Go with it, even if what she does seems a little eccentric or hasty. Go wild with her! 2) Whats going on now, its totally normal. 100% healthy and normal. Dont be afraid. I wish you and your girl the best in a swift recovery...
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Re:Depression
18 January 2012 11:05
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if ur properly depressed go see a doctor. prozac has def helped me and a buddy of mine. its a short term fix to what may well be a long term problem. but better than suffering in silence.
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Re:Depression
18 January 2012 11:10
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Medication just supresses how your feeling, it doesnt solve anything mate.
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Re:Depression
26 January 2012 23:04
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such a thoughtful and helpful reply, thankyou so much! I'd just like to let you all know i am dealing with things a lot better now.. & just soldiering on with life. Can't thank you all enough for the great advice/support!
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Re:Depression
27 January 2012 10:07
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CutAndStack such a thoughtful and helpful reply, thankyou so much! I'd just like to let you all know i am dealing with things a lot better now.. & just soldiering on with life. Can't thank you all enough for the great advice/support! We wish you the best mate.
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Re:Depression
28 January 2012 11:54
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Liebow Medication just supresses how your feeling, it doesnt solve anything mate. I'd have to disagree with you there. Antidepressants are a lot like gear - you have to work with them for the drug to work. You wouldn't take a 1000mg of Sust then sit on the couch all week would you? So when you're taking Antidepressants you have to start looking at ways to solve the problems and the drug will help you do that, it works in synergy - it doesn't suppress how you're feeling. If I were the OP I'd go to the Doctor, you'll probably start on a low dose of citalopram - takes about two weeks to kick in then see how you go.
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Re:Depression
28 January 2012 12:03
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Earlier in the thread Minger said "Gear can certainly enhance your moods mate some more than others." What gear helps depression? And what gear makes it worse? Or is it feel great on gear, then prone to depression when you come off?
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28 January 2012 12:09
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They dont just give you Anti Depressants.... you need to go to counselling first. A GP cant make a diagnosis like that without referals. They do supress how your feeling, otherwise whats the point of them? Our emotions often stop us acting on doing certain things. Ie: We have a natural fear of fighting someone, but given a few certain "uppers" or even certain "downers", that natural fear vanishes under the influence. Thus, supresses how your feeling. Or like if your so depressed, your body's natural emotion (although extreme) is to be low in mood. So low that you fail to function in a normal manner. With the aid of meds, like Cipramil as you mentioned, it supresses the low mood and makes you able to drive at what needs to be done. Could it be done naturally? If it could be done in a vast majority of cases, there wouldnt be these drugs. Thus, again, they are used to supress. Overall, your right what your saying that they are aids to giving you drive to work on the problems at hand. But thats a contradiction. They are supressents, regardless of helping or aiding. And the problem there, is that if the problem doesnt get fixed or cannot be fixed, your going to be mighty dependant on these drugs. I know this from all angles of perspective. This is why they are only keen to give out certain mood stabilisers to the right people and not just anyone...
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Re:Depression
28 January 2012 16:11
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Liebow They dont just give you Anti Depressants.... you need to go to counselling first. A GP cant make a diagnosis like that without referals. Sorry but you're dead wrong there mate. A GP will always prescribe Anti Ds first - it's cheaper. Counselling is a secondary option and the waiting lists are up to six months. Some GP Surgeries have a counsellor on staff but it's pretty basic therapy and you'll still be prescribed an Anti D by the GP. A counsellor can never prescribe drugs - neither can a psychologist unless they have special rights and the correct quals which is rare. I've been through it from A to B - that's how the system works. Regarding your take on anti depressants - you're confusing mood stabilisers with SSRIs - totally different drugs. Wiki how these drugs work. As for which gear makes a person feel good - Testosterone :)
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Re:Depression
28 January 2012 20:25
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I didnt say a counseller can prescribe, I said they advise the GP. I think you'll find only if your seriously depressed they do that, slap you on meds right away. If your at the early stages, they send you to therapy first. Dont know about waiting lists. Unless you go private? I dont need to check on Wiki, Im a Nurse mate and work with most Psychiatric meds each week ;-) Im saying mood stabilisers in the terms of when depression stops you functioning correctly and you need the likes of Cipramil to make you mentally stable enough to get through the day. The OP isnt at that state as he is on the PC and discussing with us. He has hope. Those with true depression have no sense of hope. Are you an RMN or Nurse?
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