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DELTS

Standing BB Press: 77.5 for 3x7 w/90 secs rest..... the big story here was I could clean the weight again. Suprised I got the lot for 7s (altho the last rep wasn't without a little pause for breath). Good sets tho. 
Machine Press: 40+ bar for 15, 15, 15, 13 w/45 secs rest..... simith was being used so went on the machine I had been using before. Only this time I sat the opposite way round as some had been preaching it's virtues... certainly intense on the delts with no over-reaching. Good sets, as I did the 1st 3 well I threw in a 4th set 
Seated DB Cleans: 17.5s for 3x15 w/45 secs rest..... matched this, delts were already baked so I was happy with just like for like on the week here..... had to rest a while before attempting tris tho 

TRIS

Close Grip Bench: 115 for 8, 8, 6 w/90 secs rest..... was going wekk here but on the last set I could feel my back just crampng a bit so stopped at 6 on the last to be safe 
Dips: Bodyweight + 30kg for 15, 15, 11 w/45 secs rest..... well at least I got the lost rep back here, but boy have I gone off dips now LOL
DB roll over exts: 15s for 15, 15, 15, 13 w/45 secs rest....  nailed these well again, managed all 15 on the 3rd so threw in a 4th set for fun

Usual roller and stretch to close

I really need to rethink about doing this session then trying to shave afterwards as I have no ROM in my arms or delts to reach my head or chin . Solid session today tho with no pain of note and felt strong. I still suspect no more than speed work again on DLs tomorrow but hopefully the rest will be good to go.

Note: I did play bball last night, had a blinder playing 3on3 with no pain so was fairly confident todays session would be alright

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good sessin mate!!
good reps for the dips too..

  

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The high rep dips hurt... I used to love dipping, strapping a shed load of weight on and banging out half a dozen. It's now a far more acquired taste.

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30kg for 58 reps is a bit crazy!!! If you can manage 3 sets of 15's with such a short rest, does that mean the first few sets are very comfortable or do you struggle near the end of any set other than the last?

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The 1st set is generally OK altho sometimes you can start to feel it by the end, the 2nd you start to feel the pump bedding itself in and even if it does start to get tough it isn't time for failure yet so I stop where appropriate and then the 3rd and optional 4th are in the lap of the gods - sometimes you just cannot squeeze anything out, then the next week you do, only just, but you do it so you have to throw in another set on principle

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When I (finally!) rejoin the gym my reps are going to be in the 10-15 range, rest times will be 45-60 seconds. That's you and Daz-Ball to thank for giving me the idea to give this high rep lark a whirl.

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mate im right there with ya on the dips!!
ive dropped them for a bit!!
great for strength increases i reckon, helps with lower chest but i think imo they are to be cycled...
im stickin with CGBP and skulls, pushdowns for now

  

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LM... I don't think I'm ready for DBs overall volume yet tho LOL That delt session is just OTT for me right now I think

mrm... I'm kinda nodding to you here. I'll give it a bit but may bank them ready to switch with CGBP when needed and find an alternative if progression continues to staul

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thats the thing mate, i kinda hit BW+45-50k for about 6-8 reps and wasnt budgin from there much, so ive dropped them, gonna concentrate on gettin my CGBP nice and heavy and some skulls and reverse pushdowns etc.. will go back to the them in 8 wks or so

  

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No snow was gonna stop me today...

BACK

Chin ups: bodyweight for 10, 9, 8 w/60 secs rest..... OK, no improvement on 2 weeks ago but after not being able to these last week I was pleased to have held ground. Just some discomfort 
Barbell Bent over rows: 70 for 15, 15, 15, 12 w/45 secs rest..... nice going here. Was able to do these fine and as I got a good 3 sets I chucked in a 4th - which was tough work 
Seated V Bar Rows: 72.5 for 3x15 w/45 secs rest..... altho I yanked the last couple a bit I still got all 3 for 15. Good sets but no good enough to warrent a 4th LOL 

Deadlift: 200 for 3x2 w/90 secs rest..... well fcuk me, you are reading that right. After all the problems of the last week with this strain, not being able to SLDL 100 etc I pissed all the warm up weights so much so that I thought I'd finally go for 200 as my work weight. Grip wasn't my best today and it was tough work so I played safe and did doubles. This was really one out of the bag today tho.

DB hammer: 12.5s for 15, 15, 15, 13 w/45 secs rest..... arm strain was worse on these today and after the DLs I'm not suprised. Decent sets tho

Roller and stretching to finish.

Obviously I'm delighted with that session. As my DL got heavier the side felt easier. 170 warm up was piss easy so thought WTF and went for the 200. Heaviest I've done for about 7 years I reckon, maybe longer. Wasn't easy tho (DOH BTW). The rest of the session was pretty solid too.... I'm liking longer cycles

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Well done on the deads mate.

Cheers, fella... TBH I should be more than capable of lifting this considering but that's not the hand I've been dealt LOL. Chuffed to finally have 200 as a genuine work weight again rather than a 1 off single here and there. Fingers crossed it will stay that way now

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Do you think that only 6 reps of deads will yield any meaningful gains? Obviously 3 sets is better than none but are you planning on increasing the volume at any stage?

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LM:....

I am tending to steer away from higher reps on DLs. For a few reasons really. Primarily, I don't want to be using volume where I could fatigue and lose form, I have too many past issues with my back etc to want to risk that so I prefere I have a weight I can either lift or I can't, avoiding the 'grey' area.

Despite my general increase in volume/intensity I still have one exercise per session that is a bit heavier. So I have something where I am trying to generate some strength and/or power and the rest to complement by hormonal stimulation (if that makes sense)... on back day DLs are the obvious one for power, they are the better choice over any other option.
 
For now I am happy with building up to 3x3, However, as and when things staul I will look at other options but these will likely centre around multiple singles or doubles rather than upping the reps that much.

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CHEST

Bench Press: 130 for 6, 6, 5+fail each w/90 secs rest..... came in feeling good so got brave and upped it, too brave. Happy to have done solid sets which certainly enters PB territory but I shouldn't have tried the last 6 . Still happy tho.
Incline Press, DBs: 37.5s for 13, 13, 14 w/45 secs rest..... decent rep increase on the week here. felt strong.
Decline BB: 82.5 for 14, 13, 13 w/45 secs rest..... I think I have recalled these right, again, good rep gain. 


BICEPS 

EZ Bar Curls: 25kg for 13, 13, 12 w/45 secs rest..... hmmm, I think I 13'ed the 1st 2 LOL. Good sets tho and heavier weight.
Laying Cable Curls: 25 for 3x12 w/45 secs rest..... went up here too. I believe I stuck with 12s here, which was hurting by the end.

Usual roller and stretch work to finish.

Great session today, despite bombing out on my 3rd set of flat bench. I felt up for trying it tho and 130 for reps and sets I am certain is somewhere I haven't been before (never had a good bench TBH).

Weight just came in at 16'13 so finally knocking back on 17s door again which was my anticipated unreal;istic goal for this cycle considering I have also beentrying to maintain conditioning. So with 6 weeks left (+ perhaps a 2-4 week taper down too) I'm looking good for breaking the barrier. Altho I've been here before (and 2st heavier) this is certainly the best I've looked at this size. Lets just hope I don't crash coming off

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Interesting, Im def going to do a small taper before PCT as wll, everything Ive read seems to point towards this being sensible protocol.

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It one of those things that for all intense and purpose is not required as the drugs administer their own taper, however, many are reporting easier PCT when doing so so as it's not exactly harmful then why not. I've also been on a long time with a dose higher than I have done before so a few weeks on a lower dose and then let the drug run it's course may not be a bad thing for me.

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It one of those things that for all intense and purpose is not required as the drugs administer their own taper, however, many are reporting easier PCT when doing so so as it's not exactly harmful then why not. I've also been on a long time with a dose higher than I have done before so a few weeks on a lower dose and then let the drug run it's course may not be a bad thing for me.

Makes perfect sense to me, why not come down a gradual hill before dropping down the rest of the way, rather than jump off the cliff.
 
Gives the body a chance to start realigning the Homeostasis point surely.

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I dunno, shut down is shut down (hence the arguement against the taper) but I guess it would help start to reduce some of the workload you have to counter during PCT if you only have say 500g working and converting rather than 1g and as you allude to, give your body something of a more relaxed come down. I'll probably add a week in the off period prior to PCT also

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Yes I totally agree, shut down is shut down by Rightyho posted some very interesting stuff a while back about the Homeostasis point.

As we know, the body loves equilibrium and gains slow as the body adjusts raising catabolic hormones to get equilibrium.

The "crash" comes as with the withdrawl of the AAS, the level of catabolic hormones is much higher for a time, hence PCT and kickstarting the body back to natural production whilst minimising loss.

To my mind a taper to a maintenance dose allows a beginning of that process and also helps with the reliance one builds up on such a high level of assistance.

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All makes sense, mate.... should have my IGF here tomorrow, looking forward to including that in my PCT, never touched it before and heard many a good thing when run thru PCT

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Dont know too much about that, pricey though isnt it?

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Not too bad TBH, I wouldn't normally run it solo tho as, apparently, it's not the greatest on it's own (altho PCT is meant to be useful). Once you start adding GH and AAS to the equation then IGF can certainly add an easy £130+ to your already costly course

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Right then...

LEGS

Front Squats: 125 for 3x6 w/90 secs rest..... didn't feel like doing 8 reps so went up a fraction and knocked out solid 6s 
Single Leg Presses: 110 for 13, 13, 12, 12 w/45 secs rest..... managed an extra couple. Oddly my right leg went completely numb tho. Very weird, like I'd had a local anesthetic 
Stiff Leg DL: 150 for 3x10 w/45-60 secs rest..... decided to still lay off these for now, may stay away for a few weeks and give what I' replacing them with a solid go.

Leg Curls: 60 for 4x14 w/45 secs rest..... good few extra reps out of these this week
Seated Leg Curls: 65 for 4x15s w/45 secs rest.... had this weight thru-out and it was good. Will increase next week if I stay with them.

Calf Raises: 192.5 for 9, 9, 8, 8 w/45 secs rest..... squeezed a couple extra out 
Seated Calf: 70 for 11, 10, 10, 10 w/45 secs rest..... managed 1 lot of 11 but that was it.

Usual roller and stretching to finish

well, ultimately it was a good session. worked thru it all well. Very odd numb leg business on the leg press tho. I think this is down to me walking into a machine at work and giving myself a golf ball sized bruise on my thigh which the pressing aggrevated, as the numbness seemed to eminate from the bruised area. Lasted ages tho.

Had my ego well fed today tho. Someone thought I weighed a good couple of stone more than I do. Someone else said how much my condition seemed to have improved since xmas altho I'm over half a stone heavier so definately a feel good day

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Good to see you all missed me, w4nkers LOL

Right, after last Tuesday I was sick as a dog. Headaches, earache, burning up, full body aching too. Felt like sh!te so no wrok, no training and then the Mrs had a Valentine's suprise of us renewing our vows and I was still suffering then (might stick a photo or 2 up later if I can master the technology)

So, I did manage to drag myself down the gym but being light on food and fluids from the week wasn't expecting miracles... and after a week of lounging my back's been a bit off too:

CHEST

Bench Press: 130 for 6, 5, 5, each w/90 secs rest..... lost 1 rep here and had a spot just incase but he said he didn't touch it and I'm willing to believe him
Incline Press, DBs: 37.5s for 15, 14, 9w/45 secs rest..... started well then bombed LOL classic lack of fluids sign TBH 
Decline BB: 82.5 for 14, 13, 10 w/45 secs rest..... ditto, started fine then faded fast. 


BICEPS 

EZ Bar Curls: 25kg for 15, 15, 12w/45 secs rest..... think I got that right, it was up tho but small muscles never suffer so much
Laying Cable Curls: 25 for 3x12 w/45 secs rest..... used a different pulley, had 40 for 3x15 IIRC, good sets tho. 

Usual roller and stretch work to finish.

All in all I should be happy, a week of not eating right, certainly not drinking enough and sweating buckets was never gonna help todays session but at least my basic strength seemed to be there - just I've got a bit of a cold TBH but no longer genuinely poorly. Gutted than this followed such a good week the week before, I was hoping to carry the high over.

Guess I better see what damage the last week has done on the scales, hang on *wips off shoes*... sh!tty, w4nk and poo piles, 16'10 - 3lbs lost just when I was getting back to 17st again grrrrrrr. Oh well, still got a few weeks left to amend that.

Right, were are those photies

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still a decent sessin mate seeing as u sound like u were pretty ill...
bench has come along nicely in recent times mate too!!
its cool that ui renewed ur vows too mate!!
hope u had a good day fella..
now get these pics up.

  

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Just got to show a lady round our gym then I'll try and get on it.... it the closest you lot will get to seeing me on cycle anyway. But yeah, it was a cool day, kept hearing this little voice behind me saying "what are mummy and daddy doing".. he was only a bump in her tummy when we got hitched

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haha cool.. how long u been married now mate??
u not a fan of BBin pics of urself then?!! haha

me neither really t be honest..

  

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Been married nearly 4 years

I'm not a great fan of posting BB pics of me, they never look right and while I don't mind that I may look small it's the potential of a pi55ing match with someone argueing that you aren't what you claim LOL

Right, let me get that CD out....

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Sorry couldnt resist.....

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Not the most exciting but the choices were limited and haf of them were either blurred or my eyes were shut.

NB: I don't do suits LOL

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You can see where Zach gets his good looks from......
And is that the wine list you're intently staring at or, as I rather much suspect, the menu? Bummer about being ill DV but 3lbs is nothing considering you look like quite a unit in those photos.

Roll on 17 stone.

You say you were up to 19 stone before or thereabouts. What's the difference in BF between when you hit 17 stone last time and now?

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When I was hovering at 17st last year (and indeed when I was coming down from ~19) I was walking about in 38-40" waist jeans and didn't need them taking in. Since I had them all taken in when I cut to sub-15 at the summer they still all fit fine. I've maybe gone 1 belt hole up (just) partly BF, partly from always having a full stomache LOL. Altho being ill I did seem to bloat right up over the weekend and felt well fat as those jeans were 38 and there wasn't much extra room in them TBH

BTW, looking at the starter options there deciding whether or not I would share the sharers option

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well.... ur not a small chap DV!!
haha. its always good t put a face to a name on here!!
lookin real large tho fella.. and f*ckin scary!! haha.. :-)
Zach looks like a proper litle geezer too, cute as!!!
would have thought u were more than 17 st from those.. wat height are u mate??

  

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Cheers, mate, I'm 6'1... TBH I probably way half a stone less without all that bling on LOL. Zach's a cracker ATM, altho he was a little sod that day. Normally he can't get enough of being the centre of attention and on camera, but not when it really mattered he doesn't

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haha, yeah i noticed ur bling!!
was gonna say u dont look short but pics can be decieving..
surprised from those pics ur under 17st..
u'll be back over 17st in no time i recon fella!
how long left on the cycle u got now did ya say?

  

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Well this is week 21 LOL of a 6 monther so that leaves me 5 weeks left. I'll probably do a month of tapering down (maybe 2 weeks at 500 and 2 at 250). I'll then run IGF (for ~10 wks) thru that and PCT.... that's the plan anyhoo. Hopefully I'll be over 17st by the time full PCT starts and then be holding good shape this summer around 16st. If I fall under 16st for basic summer shape I'll not be happy

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so ur gonna run a little cut for the start of summer or r u expectin a fair bit of weight loss once the cycle's over..??sounds good mate..
big pct is it??

  

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