ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

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the full phase should last about 11 weeks i think.. can i take any other supplements while on Hydroxy? i.e planning taking Taurine maybe and even some non stim Sesamin?
have u tried the Grenade from Muscle finesse?

I wouldn't bother with anything else. Hydroxytrim is a good product.

i haven't used grenade.

 

cheers partyboy

i heard Hydroxytrim isnt being stocked again @ MF

plan on starting Hydroxy on Feb 1

thanks for the info

Hi partyboy

Im thinking about starting a cycle of ECA and clenbuterol.

Do you know of any sites online where i can buy these products and how should they be taken.

Any advice

Give this link a try for some of it: www.astronutrition.com/weight-loss-weight-loss-ephedrine-ephedra-25_1/#buyew

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Squat - 135kg
Bench - 125kg x 2
Deadlift - 230kg

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I certainly feel like they are working, i.e. i get that wired feeling and usually can't manage more than 2 a day but i don/t seem to be losing any weight when i take them. Are there any other ones that are better? I've heard the ones with a K on them are the best, whats the proper name for those?

Is everything else in order mate,diet and CV? eph wont do sh1t otherwise except give you a tingly head....which is nice.

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Just read through this whole thread lol, good work PB
I am going to start an ECA stack on monday. I have just ordered some eph HCL (8mg) tabs off astronutrition along with caffeine tabs (100 x 200mg), with postage and using the discount it was £28 which aint too bad.
Im looking forward to starting it, my schedule for cardio will be:
TUE - 30mins swimming (am) 30-45 mins running (pm)
THUR - 30 mins running (am)
FRI - 30-45 mins running (pm)
SAT - 30-45 mins running (am)
Is this enough cardio (combined with a good diet)? I burn around 500 calories each time.
If I stick to this for 12 weeks will I see noticeable weight loss?

Also I have not had effects to aspirin before, shall I include it in the stack? Im really focused on weight loss atm so how important is it to include it?
Sorry if I have waffled on, thanks for you time.

P.S. By the way, how does this stack compare to stimerex-es?

Stimerex ES Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Tablet

Servings Per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving:

Sida Cordifolia Extract (leaves) (25mg ephedra group alkaloids) Acacia Rigidula 70% (leaves) Theobroma Cocoa Extract Phenylethylamine HCL Citrus Aurantium/Synephrine 30% Extract (fruit) (10mg of Synephrine group alkaloids) Green Tea Extract (leaves) Yohimbe Extract (Bark) Naringen (fruit) 6 - 7 Dihydroxy Bergamottin (fruit) Caffeine (anhydrous) 80 mg

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline Cellulose Dextrose Sodium Starch Glucolate Magnesium Stearate Stearic Acid FD&C Blue # 1 FD&C Red # 40.'

Just wanted to clarify 2 things about ephedrine

1. As well as being a strong fat burner does it help maintain LBM while cutting?

2. How much time b4 your WO should u take it, I'm asking because it's a good idea to take it with caffeine and I've been told u should take caffeine about an hour b4, is this too long b4 training?

ORIGINAL: b21man
Is this enough cardio (combined with a good diet)? I burn around 500 calories each time.
If I stick to this for 12 weeks will I see noticeable weight loss?

Impossible to predict cardio requirements as they are personal, though your plan looks reasonable. Also, impossible to predict fat loss results. You must gauge progress and tailor diet and cardio activity accordingly.

Also I have not had effects to aspirin before, shall I include it in the stack? Im really focused on weight loss atm so how important is it to include it?

Not particularly necessary tbh.

P.S. By the way, how does this stack compare to stimerex-es?

Effects should be similar tbh

 

dan:

1) I wouldn't count on it. If your cut is harsh then expect muscle catabolism never to be far away. A sensible rate of loss is best.

2) 30-45mins is about right.

 

does it slow down to destruction of LBM!!

Agreed with fat loss. I'd lost around 10-12lbs in 4 weeks which seemed a little too quick, i've upped the food levels again and i'm back to around 1.5lbs a week, much more controlled.

As anyone got a link to the effects of long term eca use?

cheers

Personally i take 4 a day - 2 1st thing with my breakfast and 2 - 20 mins before i go the gym so they kick in soon as im there and ready to work

day off from Gym (still proberly do some fitness) - i take 2 only with breakfast

once every few weeks i take nothing, my tip is to carry your water bottle in the gym or any sport your doing keep hydrated as the ephadrine will make you de-hydrated very quickly, yes the norm things happen your penis strinks but only till you re-dydrate yourself

like all drugs moderation is the key, when you go on holiday take a week or two off !! if you have heart problems id stay clear off it


cardio all the way !!!

ORIGINAL: Nunners

yes the norm things happen your penis strinks but only till you re-dydrate yourself

what???

ORIGINAL: b21man

ORIGINAL: Nunners

yes the norm things happen your penis shrinks but only till you re-dydrate yourself

what???

Yeup, that can be a genuine side effect.

Although it only affects it whilst flaccid, so nothing to worry about if you're with a partner

Also as soon as the ECA has worn off everything is back to normal.

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PB's (88kg-natural)
Squat - 135kg
Bench - 125kg x 2
Deadlift - 230kg

Once upon a time I read that ephedrine was anti-catabolic to some degree, I know its not as anti-catabolic as Clen but is there any evidence of it showing any muscle sparing?

I just ordered some ephedrine from astro, haven't used it for years so it should be a nice boost while on the treadmill. Can't believe the price, it wasn't so long ago (10 years) I was paying £15 per 1000 x 30mg, now its £8.99 for 50 x 8mg!

i think your right, who's got the accurate info on this.

Hey. I've been reading through this thread as i'm at the end of a cut and i wanna shift those last couple of pounds that i want to be rid of. ECA seems like a fairly good way of achieving this.

Do people buy ECA stacks in one pill or do you do it in three? What do people suggest?

I am considering buying a product called Thermalean with these dosages:

Ma Huang 350 mg
(standardized 8% for 28 mg ephedrine)
Kola Nut 350 mg
(standardized 50% for 175 mg caffeine)
Chromium Picolinate 200 mg
White Willow 25 mg

Basically i'm lazy and can't be arsed to work out the dosages i'd need from three pills, but i will if this thermalean isn't worth it or has the wrong dosages in it.

Also i understand this is a herbal equivalent, is this as good as the real thing?

Any help would be brill.

MAtt

That product looks fine.

 

Hi Party boy,

having read this thread i have started taking ephs, can you read the below link so not to post twice, i am trying to work out if i might have overdone the chest eze tabs

see this http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1677683/tm.htm

with the added ephs, could this have made a huge increase in my rmr and wanting to eat more.

any thoughts on weather i have just experienced major sides etc, or not ruling out over doing my efforts, or even a simple stomach bug.

Eph harms your hunger mate!

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hi partyboy,im just after reading this whole thread.........and you seem like your well informed on ephedrine,so i have a question!

basically ive taken ephedrine myself for cutting purposes,ive stopped taking it now and am concentrating on musclebuilding.....but anyway so my girlfriend saw how well the eph worked.....so last week she started taking them [is our wedding in three weeks] but all she takes is a glass of milk with 25mg/200mg twice sometimes three times a day!shes dropping weight fast,and drinking lots of water and mi wadi and coffee........anyway my q is is this absolutly terrible 4 her to be doing for a couple of weeks???shes says shel definetly stop wen she reachs the weight she wants......and i no she will...shes not anorexic or anything......but im just abit worried......what u think??????thanks

Welcome andrew.

No its not terrible for her. Short term eca use has an amazingly good safety profile providing the user has no pre-existing medical conditions that place them at higher risk - ie. heart condition, high bp etc.



Hmm, I've just read your post again and it could be that you're not asking whether the actual eph use is terrible for her but instead the fact that she is only consuming milk for sustinance? Is that correct? If this is the case then definately YES - that is a very bad idea. She is risking making herself very ill by starving herself of essential nutrients which the body needs daily. I wouldn't recommend what she is doing for 1 day, nevermind a couple of weeks! Her body will be in starvation mode by such severe calorie restriction and will do everything possible to hold onto fat stores - instead converting muscle for fuel use. She will indeed lose weight, but this will not necessarily be fat. This simple yet effective survival mechanism is hard wired into humans from the time when we lived in caves and food wasn't plentiful - fat in those days was a priceless commodity. What she must also understand is that muscle is metabolically active - ie. it requires energy (calories) to survive. Therefore the more muscle you have, the greater calories you burn at rest. Conversely, losing appreciable muscle mass will lead to a lower level of daily calorie expenditure, meaning attempts at fat loss become much harder as intake levels must be more harshly reduced than would otherwise be the case.

There is a safe and sensible way to lose fat and if I've read your post correctly, your wife to be does not fall into this catagory. If I were you I would be educating her and changing her mindset completely.

 

right well firstly thank you very much partyboy for explaining the seriousness of the situation,i and she had no idea it was that dangerous.ul be pleased to hear she has promised me shel be more sensible regarding her diet......im so much happier thanks again.

Do anyone know of any long term effects on health from repeated use of taking eph/ec. ie. increased risk of heart attack or something?? Or even any long term effects from just short use of it?

There have been small numbers of high profile cases of death allegedly attributable to Ephedrine use. These cases were used by the FDA to impose a ban of Ephedra sales in the U.S.
You could argue that a more plausable explanation for the ban could be due to pressure from pharma giants who wish to preserve/increase their market for prescription meds such as meridia/xenical.

The fact is Eph use has an amazing safety profile given the millions of users and relatively few fatalities. Even then, the cases cited by the FDA to assist their cause in imposing the ban, also had other strongly mitigating factors (such as the user training outside for long periods in severe heat/humidity with little fluid intake).

 

Cool, so if I cycled taking an EC stack in 'safe' amounts it should cause no harm to my body in the short or long run?

I have been using T5 since jan (not continuously) and have lost one stone in 2 months -well chuffed. Few qs about T5 (ECA).

1. I have been very very ratty and on edge. Is this a side effect
2. Is this detectable in urine, if so is it classed as an illegal drug, I am currently in the army and do not wanna be booted out for taking this.

I have stopped until I get an answer

Cheers lads x

ORIGINAL: WeeMuscle

Cool, so if I cycled taking an EC stack in 'safe' amounts it should cause no harm to my body in the short or long run?

No one can give you that reassurance. This is true of any drug. What I can say is that incidences of short/long term usage appear low assuming the user has no pre-existing risk factors ie. heart disease, hypertension etc.

 

Congrats on your results to date.

ORIGINAL: dollyd

1. I have been very very ratty and on edge. Is this a side effect

Yes, ECA stimulates adrenaline, which will make you jumpy, wired, perhaps "on-one" for want of a better term

2. Is this detectable in urine, if so is it classed as an illegal drug, I am currently in the army and do not wanna be booted out for taking this.

It is detectable in urine, and has been known to give rise to a false positive for amphetamine use. Eph in itself is not illegal - it is found in cold remedies sold over the counter.

 

Ahh nice one, I might read up on it and use it for my next cut
Cheers

Thanks for that. If I took Sida Cordofolia (sp?) could that give a false positive too, only I can take that and if it did show up I woulf just tell them I was using it for losing weight.

Cheers x

DOLLYD ~*~*~*~*~*~

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Not sure tbh. You could just use eph hcl and claim you were using an over the counter cold remedy.

 

That's my intention but wasn't sure if the levels of ECA in a stack were the same as in Sudafed or something similar. If I said that and the levels in my urine were way above the levels in a normal dosage of sudafed I reckon I'd be in the poo. If I can be assured that if levels were detected and Sudafed would be my excuse and get me off then I will carry on taking the stack, if not - well I'll have to stop or risk it.

DOLLYD ~*~*~*~*~*~

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Hi, thinking of getting some of the EPH 25 Extreme, anyone got any info?? Read a bit on the net and it's put me off a little. I just want a little help, I'm off on hols in 3 weeks and need an extra kick for that bikini!! Puts me off when read things like " can cause death".
Any info welcome
Cheers

Lynny

Just stick to a low dose to start with, see how your body reacts to it...

If ur fine, you can try 2.

You may like to get your heart and blood pressure checked before using... because if u have a heart murmur, High blood pressure, faulty valve, etc this is when problems MAY happen.

Normal sides, shaking, anxiety,,, a little worse would be,, really fast heart rate, feeling faint and sick.

You will be fine though I'm sure... these are quite rare sides,,, but if u want to just make sure,, go see a doc. I Went to mine,, told him I was having heart pain every so often... he did tests and said i was fine. (i didn’t have heart pains,, just wanted heart to be checked over).

Remember to drink lots and lots of water... and really is not advised to take before cardio... your heart rate would go through the roof.

Take them for 2 weeks on, then 2 weeks off. If you do not stop, prolonged use can cause addiction. Also your body will get used to the contents of the EPH. Therefore your heart may stay permanently faster and your body will start needing more and more, to actually do anything like when you first started using.

Hope this helps hun.

Mixed Martial Arts - As Real As It Gets! Never Block a punch with your face.

P.S

I hope I am right in what I am saying, as I use ECA not EPH

Mixed Martial Arts - As Real As It Gets! Never Block a punch with your face.

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Remember to drink lots and lots of water... and really is not advised to take before cardio... your heart rate would go through the roof.

Take them for 2 weeks on, then 2 weeks off. If you do not stop, prolonged use can cause addiction. Also your body will get used to the contents of the EPH. Therefore your heart may stay permanently faster and your body will start needing more and more, to actually do anything like when you first started using.

I don't agree with any of this tbh. ECA will give a performance advantage and provide the user with a lower perceived effort level. Using with cardio enables you to lower effort level to maintain similar HR readings.

8-12 weeks continuous use will rarely pose problems assuming the user hasn't abused dosage levels. Side effects do tend to settle, but this is not a reason to start going crazy with dosages and does not mean the ECA is ineffective. In fact, there is evidence to suggest chronic use upregulates the enzyme responsible for t4 to t3 conversion.

 

cheers Party boy,, still only new to this myself TBH, just thought I'd put what I thought from my current experience. I did infact mean to put HIIT cardio... if I took 2 ECA caps 40 mins before a MMA fight, I'm 90% sure I would have serious problems, as I really feel the effects even at 1 tab.

Your right in saying about the effort levels can be lower to reach your Fat Burning Heart rate. But I personally don't beleive it can be any good for youto take this supp before HIIT work out... like a Spin class, Etc, etc. it's just too much.

TT recamended 2 weeks on 2 weeks off? I'm sure he has his reasons?

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Heya,

This is a really good post. Lots of information on it. I have been taking ECA for about 3 1/2 weeks now and plan to finish by the end of this week. I have lost lost absoultey loads from it so am really happy gettin a more defined body. I was planning to take a break from it and i was wondering if there are any other supplements for losing that final bit of weight at the bottom of my belly. I would continue to use ECA but i have been told if you do it for more than 4 weeks that you lose the affects of it. Basically lookin for something to help increase the fat loss which isnt ECA for a couple of weeks and then i will go back on ECA.

Many thanks

Donut