ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

Eca doesnt have to be timed round your meals does it???? Ul stil get same effect wont u???

Basically im taking 1st lot at 8am with break. My meals then go 10.30, 1.00pm and 3.00pm
an so on. So doing 1st lot at 8am, 2nd 11.30, 3rd 3pm to co inside with weights at 4pm. Does this look ok???

Been taking ECA for the past couple of weeks but have noticed a significant drop in Cardio performance

As I exercise in my lunch hour at work and eat after I've been taking a dose half an hour before I go to the gym where I alternate and do cardio/weights every other day. The first time I took ECA I noticed my running performance improve but ever since it has gone downhill. Before I started I was on the treadmill for half an hour, but now after 15 minutes at the same speed I'm completely out of breath. It has though helped and continued to help with the weights.

Any reason why I should be experiencing this drop off in cardio? Is the increase in the base heart rate that is causing me problems?

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Been taking ECA for the past couple of weeks but have noticed a significant drop in Cardio performance

As I exercise in my lunch hour at work and eat after I've been taking a dose half an hour before I go to the gym where I alternate and do cardio/weights every other day. The first time I took ECA I noticed my running performance improve but ever since it has gone downhill. Before I started I was on the treadmill for half an hour, but now after 15 minutes at the same speed I'm completely out of breath. It has though helped and continued to help with the weights.

Any reason why I should be experiencing this drop off in cardio? Is the increase in the base heart rate that is causing me problems?

Take your ECA an hour before you train, I was dropping mine like 30 mins before I trained, I dropped them back 30 mins and whala instant results, I was on the treadmill and didn't want to come off, when I was taking them 30 mins before they were kicking in when I was coming out of the gym.

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Take your ECA an hour before you train, I was dropping mine like 30 mins before I trained, I dropped them back 30 mins and whala instant results, I was on the treadmill and didn't want to come off, when I was taking them 30 mins before they were kicking in when I was coming out of the gym.

Cheers I'll give that a bash tomorrow

well i took my first dose of EC (minus the A for now) this morning but only about 10 mins before a.m cardio. ( i was going to wake 30min prior and have it but forgot).

Not felt a dicky bird from 3x8mg tabs ephadrine hcl and 1x200mg caffine.

Is this normal?

I've also still felt as hungry in the afternoon between meal 3 and 34 as i would have done recently with cutting will this gradually diminish?

As per PB's last reply to my post, i dont think i should up the dose to 2xday just yet. Just wondered though.

cheers.

Rodge

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I'd personally give it at least a couple of days before increasing, although to not feel a thing is quite disappointing.
Do you know of anybody that has used the same ones you have now?

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I'd personally give it at least a couple of days before increasing, although to not feel a thing is quite disappointing.
Do you know of anybody that has used the same ones you have now?

well dont know personally anyone who has done ECA, only people here on MT!

They are astronutrition 8mg ephadrine hcl and i had 3 this morning with a quarter of a 200mg aspirin and a 200mg caffine tab.

AS i wasnt doing am cardio this morning i'm guessing having them roughly 30min before breakfast is ok?

If and when i move to two doses when should i take the second?

cheers

Rodge

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Hey Rodge

A friend of mine recently bought those from Astro and says she was buzzing through the day. Within a week she had moved to 2 doses per day. I am wary of her possible exaggeration of the effects though so don't want to make any claims as it wasn't me that personally took them

Yeah I'd agree with 30-45 mins before breakfast, and if taking a second dose I'd try and coincide it with your evening workout - 45 mins or so beforehand.

Have you felt any more effects since that first dose?

I started my Astro Eph at 2x8mg (with 200mg Caff and 150mg Asp) - twice per day... felt nada... not a thing.

Increased to 3x8mg - twice per day - nada again....

4x8mg twice per day.... nada, nada, nada!

Now taking 4x8 3 times a day - still feel absolutely nothing although my weight has fallen by atleat 1kg. Have started eaing MORE too - 4 or 5 times per day I eat and although I've upped the food, the weight has dipped. Maybe thermogenisis is working? Cant feel it though and I certainly dont feel a buzz from the stuff...

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Hey Rodge

A friend of mine recently bought those from Astro and says she was buzzing through the day. Within a week she had moved to 2 doses per day. I am wary of her possible exaggeration of the effects though so don't want to make any claims as it wasn't me that personally took them

Yeah I'd agree with 30-45 mins before breakfast, and if taking a second dose I'd try and coincide it with your evening workout - 45 mins or so beforehand.

Have you felt any more effects since that first dose?

hi,

well took my a second dose for first time yesterday. My weights w.out was brilliant, but sweating like mad and thats not normal for me. Took it only 10 mins before my tea oops and that was maybe 30min before weight.

Its seems to be doing somethinf now- i can tell the elevated HR anyhow.

only prob was i took it about 7pm and i went to bed at 11pm and i was struggling to sleep!

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That sounds much more like it Rodge! Perhaps it's just a case of finding your correct dose - and possibly just not feeling the effects as some others do.

I'm lucky in that I still get a real good buzz from it every time - I like that!

i got my eph25+ today

dosage
is eph 30mg
asp 30mg
caf, 120mg
narnegin 80mg (what is that?)

standard recomendation is

Ephedrine 20-30mgs
Caffeine 200mg
Aspirin 75mg

does that means that C/A is too weak? do i need to add something else or just have 2 tabs?

I'd throw in another 3 pro plus and see how that goes.

Sorry mate, don't know what nargenin is.

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Have you all tried an ECY stack?

Ive recently switched over and have to say that the feeling and effects are more proncounced.

Having done a search on ECY, it seems to be the better stack for fatloss

Anyone else noticed this?

Jay

Narnegin is grapefuit extract....yeah few pro plus should amplify the efffects of the Ephedrine.

can i apologise if this has been asked/answered before but theres far too many pages and i havnt got a week off work

what it is i started on MYPROTEINS sida cordofillia (?) on monday,

i did 2 days of one dose in the morning but the come-downs (at about 12 or 1 in the afternoon) were too much as i was avoiding cafeine, and lukozade wasnt keeping me awake

today i did two, one 1st thing in the am and one at 2:15 in the afternoon, i also had a brew (coffee) in the morning and had a bit of a headache twinge but nothing special

boxing training has been hard as i sweat rather profusely now

im thinking of adding in caffeeine tablets in soon, (i'll do the rest of the 1st week just on the tablets, two a day)
and maybe add caffein tabs in on monday to start the second week

so far sides are more sweat, mood swings yesterday, happy as fcuk today, slightly buzzing,

feel free to email me if you dont want to add to this post (ie, if its been answered before)

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i'm hoping to get some pro plus soon, as i'm not too sure if eph25+ is actually working, but i don't feel nothing
sweat more? No
heart rate raised? No.?



am i expecting something to happen?

I've ran the astro eph at 3 tabs (24mg) with 200mg caffeine and it hits me. Completely surpresses my appetite and gives me that stimulant kick, which can sometimes be nice while other times quite unpleasent.

I'm surprised some of you guys are saying you don't get any noticable effects from such dosages!

Currently stopped ECA at the moment as i'm ill. Usually have a nasal spray and antihistamine tabs to take due to rhinitus, but stopped these when i started the ECA (not sure if i was meant to or not as essentially the eph is a decongestant)
Not weight trained since monday or done any cardio since sunday.
Also got a painful Wisom tooth and gum along with sore throat/swollen glans - went to see dentist about the tooth this morning and been put on
strong antibiotics (Metronizadole 3x200mg daily)

What shall i do regards the ECA ?

Not start ot again untel i feel completely better?

Should i carry on taking my normal medication with the ECA as well?

Bit confused

Rodge

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are these the real deal guys

http://www.eph25plus.co.uk/#top


cheers

club

Is EPH25 is better than Chesteze, Pro Plus and asprin (which is what I take at the moment).

Also is it advisiable to take 10mg of Cytomel with EPH25?

Is ephedrine really worth taking. There are many studies to show it has been strongly linked with sudden death syndrome. Some people just jump in and start taking random things without doing their research and sometimes it can be dangerous. My friend was given these at a gym and he wasn't told anything about them, just to pretty much take as many as you like.

http://news.e-healthsource.com/index.php?p=news1&id=521787

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Is ephedrine really worth taking. There are many studies to show it has been strongly linked with sudden death syndrome.

Have you considered the number of reported deaths attributable to eph use and compared to the literally millions of users worldwode? Then eliminate those accounts of blame where there is at least one other contributory factor, ie. the user was involved in heavy sports activity in the middle of the day, with glaring sun beating down and no access to water etc etc. I guarantee you that the reports of death directly attributable to eph use in comparison to usage overall is literally negligable.


BOttom line is for those who have no pre-existing cardiac issues, eph has an amazingly good safety profile.

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ORIGINAL: daddydave

Is ephedrine really worth taking. There are many studies to show it has been strongly linked with sudden death syndrome.

Have you considered the number of reported deaths attributable to eph use and compared to the literally millions of users worldwode? Then eliminate those accounts of blame where there is at least one other contributory factor, ie. the user was involved in heavy sports activity in the middle of the day, with glaring sun beating down and no access to water etc etc. I guarantee you that the reports of death directly attributable to eph use in comparison to usage overall is literally negligable.


BOttom line is for those who have no pre-existing cardiac issues, eph has an amazingly good safety profile.

I agree with party boy..

I was unsure when I first started using ECA through scary reports (which has so many other factors such as heart attacks in family, heart murmers and with that the person not drinking any water whilst doing HIIT cardio), so scared as I was I went to the docs to get my heart given the once over for peice of mind. i didnt have any heart murmers etc, and everything was fine... I havent looked back since.

It's good to do research, but make sure you look at unbias arguments, for and against... not just one sided.

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PartyBoy judging from your comments I take it the preference would EPH over Chesteze,Pro-plus and asprin then?

Also is there some consideration to be taken into account when taking cytomel?

Ephedrine over chest-eze yes. But you still want to be adding caffeine (pro plus or whatever) and possibly aspirin too .

just realised i have side effects with eph25+ + 1 pro plus

it only happens after 3-4 hours, my heart rate goes quicker, and i feel uneasy (worried something is not right ie everywhere/thing)
also i think my temper has gone worse

ORIGINAL: wwp8

just realised i have side effects with eph25+ + 1 pro plus

it only happens after 3-4 hours, my heart rate goes quicker, and i feel uneasy (worried something is not right ie everywhere/thing)
also i think my temper has gone worse

didnt realise is effects your temper? sure u just wernt in a mood?

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just realised i have side effects with eph25+ + 1 pro plus

it only happens after 3-4 hours, my heart rate goes quicker, and i feel uneasy (worried something is not right ie everywhere/thing)
also i think my temper has gone worse

didnt realise is effects your temper? sure u just wernt in a mood?

erm , yeah i was in a bad mood
but i was in hyper mode
if you know what i mean,

i need a

anxiety is commen m8.

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So what does all this have to do with ephedrine? Well, ephedrine also has a very short half-life, only about 3-4 hours. Keep in mind that this does not mean that ephedrine levels are high for the full 3-4 hours. In reality, they will peak early and then begin to decline quite rapidly. So if you are taking ephedrine every 4 hours, levels are pretty low for most of that time. What's the solution? Simple. Take ephedrine at least every 2 hours. You will find in doing so that you don't get the hills and valleys in your mood either. NOTE: if you are taking 20 mg ephedrine with 200 mg caffeine every 4 hours, you should half the dose to take it every 2 hours. That way you are still taking the same total amount over the course of the day. You will be surprised at how such a small change can dramatically improve the experience and results of using ephedrine and caffeine.

Is there any sense in this? Just found it online

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Makes sense but tbh I would prefer the appetite suppressive qualities and performance enhancement qualities that are available at the higher dose every 4 hours. This is why it is suggested to take it 30-45 mins prior to either a meal or cardio.

Possibly of benefit to those who suffer "hills and valleys". I personally don't.

PartyBoy,
Hi - as per my post last week (previous page) after being off ECA for about a week (been ill was on antibiotics for a tooth/gum problem). Would i need to start off again on 1 dose per day or go dstright back to 2 per day. My dosage was 3x8mg eph from astronutritio, 200m caff and 75g asp.

Also is it ok to take all this generally with perscibed neaclarytn (anti histamines) and nazanex (nasal spray) or keep off these as the eph is a decongestant?

Cheers

Rodge

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Also is it ok to take all this generally with perscibed neaclarytn (anti histamines) and nazanex (nasal spray) or keep off these as the eph is a decongestant?

Cheers

Rodge

I'm not PB but I need to take a nasal spray twice a day even when on eph, haven't noticed anything untoward

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Also is it ok to take all this generally with perscibed neaclarytn (anti histamines) and nazanex (nasal spray) or keep off these as the eph is a decongestant?

Cheers


Rodge

I'm not PB but I need to take a nasal spray twice a day even when on eph, haven't noticed anything untoward

hi mate.
when you say"need", do you mean your GP told you (and you mentioned eph) or not. Basically I wasnt sure if if i would be having much of similar types of medication (with starting the eca again i mean)

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My nose ran constantly for a good while (years) so the doctor told me to take Beconase spray to sort it out, but this was long before i had even thought about taking eph.

I ran out of spray for a while while I was using eph and my nose started running again - i have to run the two together as eph doesn't seem to have much effect for me as a decongestant.

All I need is a big gun and a coupe that's crazy quick...

where do u buy ECA stacks?

Hi,
I started taking what I believe to be Ephedrine about 10 days ago. I say what I believe to be as I got them from a contact, a 1000 little white tabs in a heat sealed bag that look like they have been made in a home lab.

At first I had a few sleepless nights, very dry mouth but no heightened awareness etc. I am taking 3 little tabs plus 200mg of Caffeine twice a day. I am training 4 times per week with a mixture of cardio/heavy weight.

I am 6'7" and 151Kg or around 23.5 stone. I want to get down to 19st so have fat to shead.

I have not lost anything despite also changing my diet.

Although I got my tabs from a good friend, he in turn gets them from someone else. So I have ordered 600 from Astro nutrition because at least then I know that it is pure pharaceutical grade Ephedrine and not something that might be but has been knocked up in a kitchen lab by a chemistry student.

I hope I can report better results on the Astro version.

Ian

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ORIGINAL: DogTrainer

I have not lost anything despite also changing my diet.

This tells me then that your diet is not conducive to fat loss. You should be in a position to be losing fat through diet/cardio irrespective of any ECA use. Until you get this sorted, you will always struggle, even if your eph is bunk and you manage to get and use decent stuff.