ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

This is a generic Meridia (drug name Sibutramine Hydrachloride). This drug is an anti-depressant, though has decent appetite suppressant qualities. I do not think it is wise to use this sort of drug (a la prozac) for weight loss purposes.

You can read more here:


http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/sibutramine_wcp.htm

thanx for the information party boy, the list of ingredients are as follows : ma huang 200mg
: white willow bark 25mg
: chromium picolinate 70mg
: system x tm 50mg
The recomended dose is one a day, which is what ive been taking, although yesterday I took 2. I do get most of the side effects u described but just deal with it, I weighed myself this morning and have shed about 8lbs thats since the beginning of last week, would u say there safe enough to be taking.
Oh and I feel a bit dodgy getting behind the wheel. THANX

Does it say what the Ma Huang is standardised as?
Also, there seems no caffeine? Is there not any Kola Nut or Guarana listed as an ingredient?

Does it list what the "system x" contains?

just a quick couple of questions.currently on cut and using kaizen eph.now i was having a look and there seems to be a lot of scare mongering about their eph and apparently was related to a few deaths.furthermore, kaizen seem to no longer produce it.now, am i at any risk takin 30mg 3 times a day?i am sure i'm fine but just bothered me when i read it. i saw some things about dangers and people scaremongering earlier in the thread and that it is actually quite a safe drug if used correctly.
last q.how did we arrive at the dosage of circa 30mg 3 times a day.is that due to any medical studies or purely from many a bb'ers experience?? cheers

ECA is amazingly well tolerated given the amount of users there are (or were before the FDA ban). Yes there have been deaths supposedly attributed to Eph, though in virtually every case there were other factors that were at least in some way part of the problem.

20-30mg per dose is pretty standard. There are human studies with a dose of 20/200 eph/caffeine.

Hi,

Time to pick ure brains again.......

Been away from the forum (and training) for too long! Originally I started on 50mg of E in the morning, and 50mg of E, 200mg of C and 150mg of A before training 7 days a week. I didnt really noticed any effect except a bit more energy. In the end I stopped that and had a break from training. I'm now 17st and bodyfat is approaching 30%. I have started up again on Stackers (NOT the multi-coloured fat burner) but a premixed ECA stack. These are strong - tho the bottle doesnt give quantities which is a bit worrying!! I take 2 pills in the morning and thats it, they really seem to work - I have more energy and train a lot harder and i have noticed my appitite being supressed to the point that i am happy on a sandwich a day. I know that this isnt really good from a metabolism point. My key aim is to loose weight but long term is that I want to be BIG! What do I do?? do i need to go back to 5 or 6 small structured meals a day? Training is a mix of cardio and weights. Your help is much appreciated. Also can someone assist re diet?

Thanks for your help - its been much appreciated in the past - seeing as Im relatively new to all this!!

ORIGINAL: duzza77

My key aim is to loose weight but long term is that I want to be BIG! What do I do?? do i need to go back to 5 or 6 small structured meals a day?

Yes, without a doubt. Going long periods without feedings will result in major catabolism and fat stores will be held.

You need to adjust your diet to cutting mode sensibly and accept that whilst dieting some muscle will be lost. Please seek assistance in the diet forum for specific advice.

has anyone ever had any probs getting eph shipped from astro nutrition to the UK (eg customs)?

Also from ordering how long did it take to arrive?

I ordered an ECA stack last Monday and arrived on Saturday. No problems. On the front they label it health and beauty products...

Well recommended..

Hey I was wondering - what is the difference between sida cordifolia and mu huang?

I have just ordered some stimerex es and am wondering if i should've got thermolean instead...

ORIGINAL: jill_half_jack

Hey I was wondering - what is the difference between sida cordifolia and mu huang?

I have just ordered some stimerex es and am wondering if i should've got thermolean instead...

strength and affectiveness mg for mg

strongest to weakest : ephedrine hcl, mahuang, sida

all will work and conatin a fourm of eph though

i just took my first eph tablet about an hour ago and am really surprised cos i'm hardly having any side effects at all! i had a mild tingly feeling for a few minutes and my neck feels a slightly weird stiff feeling but that's it. oh, the main thing was that after i ate my normal breakfast, it felt like i had eaten a 5 course meal so it's definitely working as an appetite suppressant.

i just have a question about eph and anti-depressants. i know you shouldn't take eph if you're prone to mood disorders and i was reading on astro nutrition that it works on dopamine and norepinephrine. These are the same neurotransmitters that some anti-depressants work on (like serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors). Now, does eph work WITH SNRIs or against them? from what i've read they seem to do the same thing ie inhibit the re-uptake of the neurotransmitters? if so, then shouldn't they help with depression? anyone know?

thanks.

dont know the science , but i guess

if your depressed before you use eph when you stop taking it your gonna feel alot worse because its a feel good chemical (or you may end up addicted to it because it makes you feel less depressed)

ORIGINAL: CK

dont know the science , but i guess

if your depressed before you use eph when you stop taking it your gonna feel alot worse because its a feel good chemical (or you may end up addicted to it because it makes you feel less depressed)

ah i see. that makes sense. hmmmm. i'm not depressed cos my anti-depressants fix that so I dunno if I'll be ok or not. I don't intend to take them for long - it was gonna be 8 weeks but i think i'll take them for 4 weeks, take a break from them and see how i feel. i know if i go on a downer i can pull myself up eventually either by myself or with an increased dose of medication. i don't think short term usage will effect me in the long term.

or am i being stupid?

hmmm.

as for the side effects - i'm definitely feeling them now. all funny in the head and twitching

Hi I needed some advice...

Last year i went on eph and lost 3 stones within two-3months.. since then i havent really put on any weight but i was thinking of buying another stack just incase... would it effect my body if i did.. could i get any long term damage??

there's no evidence to suggest it would cos any long term damage. general advice is to take it for no longer than 8-12 weeks at a time then waiting at least a month before taking it again.

HI.. i'm new to this forum and dont really know a lot about supplements.
I have been reading about ECA but i'm not too confident with it. I'v read many good posts saying that ECA is good and that it isn't very dangerous and that it doesnt have harsh side effects, but then i read other posts that state it is very dangerous with harsh side effects and that 13 people in the last 18 months have died from using it? So im confused and slightly nervous about using this. So could someone plz help clear a few questions up? THANKS.

I'v got ephedrine and caffine. I aint gona bother with the asperin tho.

1) Is this stack bad for u in anyway?

2) i haven't got any medical issues like high blood pressure or heart problems. I'm healthy and play football and do alot of cardio just i need to lose a bit of my body fat and tone up. If i take a low enough dosage of it would this be fine? I've got 45mg tablets of ephedrine. Im gona start on one a day and increase to 2 a day should that be good and safe?

3) Would it damage my liver or anything in anyway?

4) Would i become dependent on it or anything?

5) or is it a steroid?

6) Would i need to take anything with it to support my liver like milk thistle or anything?

7) Do u need to cycle it?

8) Do u think i will see any bad side effects?

9) How long should i take it for?

10) My girlfriend is in the same position as me, would it be safe for her to take it?

tHANKS A LOT...... Dave

I also have 3 cups of Green Tea a day does that matter?

ORIGINAL: Shootfighter2001

I also have 3 cups of Green Tea a day does that matter?

Thats fine

For those of you who are suffering nasty sides from ECA using Chest-eze (I had very bad nausea), try switching to the herbal versions like Thermalean. Side effects have dissapeared for me after the switch. cheers