ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

The theory behind the Asprin is that it thins the blood enough so the Epth has a greater effect on your thermergenic cycle.
the cheapest source of EPTH is in DoDos Chest Eze they pack 19mgs of the stuff per tablet and are £2 per 9 pills from any chemist

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Sorry in advance as not really read the thread but why aspirin?? All it does is destroy your stomach. Yes to the E and the C

 
From the 1st post:
 
"It's debatable as to the importance of aspirin in the grand scheme. It is included in the hope that it acts as a prostaglandin inhibitor and an enhancer of lipolytic activity. I believe it not to be an essential ingredient; indeed, many people are intolerant to Aspirin."

This threads been great, well done to PB for all the info and posters for contributing their experiences with ECA.
 
I started a cycle of this around 3 months ago for a 3 week period, lost around 8lbs with a strict diet and was beasting it on my workouts. Only side effects i had were my face was flushed red during workouts and heart pounding, but not so much that i was worried about anything.
 
absolutely cracking stuff to motivate you in the gym, if your not used to caffeine though i would definitely advise you too start on just a few caffeine tabs before a workout before you get up to dosage with Eph. I have quite a high tolerance to caffeine but my mate never touches it, he was getting a good lift just from caffeine tabs for the first week beofre starting a cycle proper.
 
 

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if my eph hcl doesn't turn up tomorrow, I'm going to scream.......!!!!
lol

I still think a monster dose of Tyrosine works well with EC, as an alternative to A. 

Any one ordered of this lot,  http://centurysupplements...phedrine-hcl-150-tabs/
they any good?

bujjaboy


Any one ordered of this lot,  http://centurysupplements...phedrine-hcl-150-tabs/
they any good?

hi - yep, very good.
just don't make the same mistake as I made by only taking 1 tablet instead of 3......lol

dose - 3x 200mg / 3 x 3 x 8mg ephedrine
I've come to the conclusion that I shouldn't take the 3rd dose too close to training.
I was sweating like mad and my hr was about 150bpm without trying too hard.
I'll try half a tablet of caffeine I think tomorrow... :) 

Great thread!
 
I have been taking 1 ECA30+ 4 times a week for the last 2 weeks when training and I can say that it definitely helps with energy and strength. I am going away on holiday in 2 weeks and have some T5 on the way, is it best to take every day regardless of whether I'm training or not as a last push towards my stag do or shall I just stick to taking it before I train?
 
Cheers

I would have to say that using ECA is harmful. Long term effects can include changing your central nervous system processes and metabolic system. There is a reason why Ephedra is illegal in the United States. This is a dangerous supplement so be careful guys. For long term results, go with more traditional enhancing pills.

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Is ECA simply the best fat burner ever, better than the OTC fat burning supplement's??

 
Yeh pretty, much. But be warned, if your diet is crap and training sub par you will see next to no results apart from feeling like you have necked 4 red bulls. I sorted my buddy out with an ECA stack as he assured me his diet was clean and he didn't lose anything from it because his diet was over maintenance calories and he actually put weight on. 

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HI people! I was wondering if anyone could help. I have my chesteze and proplus tabs and was going to start my eca stack. I have a few questions before i do.
- Should i ditch the pro plus tabs and get these from tescos? Saves me having a few pro plus tabs as these are 200mg a tab. http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.209-0248.aspx
- Should my dose be 1 and a half tab of chest eze= 27mg Ephedrine  AND the 200mg caffeine tab? I am just going to have one today 30 mins before my session to asses my tolerance. I think i should be okay. I have been using pro oxy elite for the last month.
Should i build up to 2 doses a day or 3?
 
I have my diet in check pretty much and my cardio and weight sessions are pretty intense. For example today i am working Cardio and Back.
- Warm Up 10Mins
- 40 Mins HITT Cardio
- Weights (Back) (Barbell bent over row, back raise, barbell side bend, cable seated close row, dead lift, dumbell bent over row, t bar bent over and zercher squat followed by lunges in the gym car park ( Mates gym, Ronnie Coleman-esque :-) ) The weights are usually three sets in each exercise. 
I am trying to cut this last stubborn stone off and add some definition. Sorry for the long winded dissertation ppl! PLEASE HELP. And thanks in advance to any replies

Freddie_Roach

- Should i ditch the pro plus tabs and get these from tescos? Saves me having a few pro plus tabs as these are 200mg a tab. http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.209-0248.aspx

 
Yes. Sh1t loads cheaper
 
 

- Should my dose be 1 and a half tab of chest eze= 27mg Ephedrine  AND the 200mg caffeine tab?

 
Yes, pretty standard but:
 
 

 
I am just going to have one today 30 mins before my session to asses my tolerance.

 
Good idea.
 
 
 

Should i build up to 2 doses a day or 3?

 
Use the minimum amount of drug that yields a desirable outcome.
 
 
Do cardio AFTER strength training. Do not listen to any "instructor" who tells you otherwise.

I've been considering taking EC recently and am thinking that getting Ephedrine HCL tabs and 200mg caffeine tabs is the best option. What do you guys who have used this before reckon?

Would it be a good idea to start by using the caffeine tabs alone then adding the ephedrine and building up (to 20/25mg per dose)?

I've found, in my experience of course with no hard evidence to back up, that I respond and feel better using a lower caffine dose.
 
I take this twice a day - first thing in the morning - then again around mid day.
 
50 Eph / 70 Caff / 150 Asprin.
 
Hawthorn Berry seems to be working for "flushed cheeks" too ;)

any one with experience of ECA + YOHIMBINE together ?
 
was going to alternate this with clen week on week off ,
 
how did you find the stack , results , feeling while using , sides etc ??

oh i dont know karate ...... but i know krazy !!

Just interested in the diets you chaps and chapesses are on whilst using the fat burners?
Are you all on low carb diets / keto diets?
 
Or not on them at all?
What diets and routines you doing that have had your best results? I know alot of people who take eph and they think its a silver bullet. Which I suppose it is really.
 
Anyways what diets you on? and what routines please? Just interested as I primarily do heavy compounds, wiht diet and and it seem to work ok for me. How do you guys trim your rind off?
 
 

 
 
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So this site doesnt ship to the US? Who would?

Has anyone tried black mamba or have any thoughts on the ephedra content:
Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Total Blend: 555mg
Caffeine Anhydrous - 200mg

CoreX (Brand Ephedra Extract) - 65mg
Sida Cordifolia (Standardized for 20% alkaloids) Tannis, Vasicinone,Vasicine,Vasicinol,Phytosterols & Mucins

Amine Matrix - 110mg
B-Aminoethylamin HCL,4-hydroxy-phenethylamine,DL-phenylalanine,O-Methoxy-phenylethlamine,4-2-dimethylaminoethyl

Thermo-Extend Matrix - 180mg
Carraluma extract (standardized for pregnane,megastigmane),evodiae fructus 98%,lycopodium serratum,yohimbine hcl,thiamine propy disulfide,para-synephrine hcl

Other Ingredients: Gelatin(capsule),magnesium stearate,fd&c blue #1 and red # 40

SUGGESTED USE:
Suggested Use: As a dietary supplement, TEST your tolerance level by consuming 1 capsule in the AM with 8 oz. of water and food for 7-10 days. After performing test, you may consider 1-2 capsules 1 time daily. DO NOT exceed 2 capsules daily.

Or would you get better stacks elsewhere, replys much appreciated.

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Hey I have a question on the ECA stack thought I might as well ask here rather than open a new thread.

Following the norm 30mg eph, 200mg caffeine and 75mg aspirin what do you guys think about adding 50mg of DMAA? Would this be overkill on the stimulants or would it improve it in any way?

Also PartyBoy why did you say do cardio after weights?
Thanks. 

I'm starting an ECA stack tomorrow and just wanted to get things cleared up before i start.

I shall be using:
 
Eph - Do Do Chesteze
Caffeine - Maxiraw primary caffeine (4x50mg caps)
Aspirin - 1/4 300mg tablet (was much cheaper than buying 75mg tabs)
 
i know that the aspirin isn't super important, but i'll be using 1/4 of a 300mg tablet.
 
with tomorrow being my first day, i'll be using 1 chesteze tab (18.3mg), 4 caffeine caps (200mg) and the quarter aspirin.
 
i've read this page: http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm and it recommends using a half dosage of caffeine at first to assess tolerance, but it'd be ok to use a full strength dose straight off, yea? i have a fairly high tolerance to caffeine, i drink a few cups of coffee per day and use the caffeine tablets regularly (i know the coffee will have to stop when using this stack).

that site suggests that high intensity exercise should be avoided when using this. i play 6-a-side football on a saturday. have any of you used ECA prior to playing football and is it safe, or should i skip the dose before playing? i don't want to keel over mid-game. 
 
do these have to be taken with water or can i neck them with my whey isolate 30 mins pre-workout?

sorry for going over old ground, i just want to get things sorted in my head before i start.
 
thanks 

Why take the aspirin?? Pain killers are more dangerous then people think. All the studies that show eph to work don't include aspirin, Aspirin may make it work better but this is just theory, why take the risk of burning a hole in your stomach?? Just my opinion buddy 

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yea, i have been debating the aspirin based on the information posted in this thread. i was borderline giving it a miss, but i think i will. no point taking anything extra that'll be of little/no benefit

I tried exactly the same homemade stack last week, but used two do dos before a leg sesh, my heart rate was sky high lol, i did it more for a test before deciding whether to continue that stack or buy kaizen so no other unwanted ingredients or maybe even try eph25+ ready made but no guarantee of ephedrine quantities, although i hear for weight loss eph needs to be taken 3 times a day so a ready made stack would be more practical. ??????? confused lol?????????

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i started this stack yesterday. 1 chesteze and 100mg caffeine on waking (8 am). noticed absolutely no problem with the chesteze, so did another dose in the afternoon with 200mg caffeine and noticed again no difference.
 
i've done 2 doses already today (1ce and 200mg caffeine, 1 dose at 8am pre workout (30 mins prior) and 1 dose about 40 minutes ago)) and have not noticed much if any change in energy levels or appetite suppression (if anything, i'm hungrier).
 
I know it's only early days, but after reading up on people's diaries on ECA (though i'm doing this without the aspirin), they've all been 'z0mg!!111!! buzzing my tits off' after their first day.
 
i'm not sure if i've just built up a tolerance to caffeine (on uni days, i drink 2/3 cups of coffee a day (although this is only 1-2 days a week) or what, but this just feels like a waste of time.
 
the workout i did this morning was a bag of barry white, mainly because i'm carrying an injury on my right hand, so can't lift properly. i only did leg press, arm curls and diverging lat pulls and left because i felt tired. i got a bit of an energy surge during the leg presses, but that soon wore off. i went home and slept.
 
i slept fairly well last night, i got about 6/7 hours and diet is better in the last few weeks (eating much cleaner).
 
i'll carry on with this for a couple of weeks and see if it starts kicking in.

I took some neat Ephedrine a few hours back... gave me a motivation drive. Only to tidy the garden, sweep the garden, sweep the house, do the washing up, do some ironing, do an intense work-out, walk to the shop to get some milk, play with the baby like a nutter and to put a big wash on.... everytime I sit down I get a feeling of anxiety... quite annoying.

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I've lost about a kilo of this stuff in a house re-arrange. I am NOT AMUSED.

 
 
i've been using this for a week now and noticed nothing from it other than a bit of mild appetite suppression. i think i have a tolerance to caffeine as most mornings i can wake up at 6am, take these and fall back to sleep for a couple of hours.

also, i've been barred from my local boots for kicking off because she wouldn't sell me chesteze because she'd sold it to me about 2 hours earlier, despite the fact she hadn't and i had my parking ticket to prove that i had parked up 5 minutes earlier (when parking at my local asda, you get a refund voucher with a time on it). i got fairly short shrift from the manager and was escorted out, the bunch of clowns. it's no fun being made to look like some sort of crack fiend

Probably not the most appropriate forum to ask this, but can anyone give me any advice on how effective EPH 25+ capsules are at aiding weight loss? Do they make exercise more effective, or simply give you more energy while working out & allow you to do so for longer?

Anybody used ECA + YOHIMBINE HCL at the same time? If so do you think it worked better than just the ECA stack alone? What were the sides like with YOHIMBINE added to the combo? Also what does of YOHIMBINE HCL should be used when adding this to the stack?

i stopped taking this 2 weeks ago for 2 reasons: being barred from my local boots, therefore unable to buy chesteze without driving for 10 miles to the next nearest store that sells it and because i felt zero effect from it (i.e. from the caffeine) whilst taking it.
 
to my surprise then when a wild EC appeared in my gym bag at uni. took it just before a 3 hour parasites lecture, purely just for the appetite suppresion side of it and about an hour in it kicked in and i had to excuse myself and go for a run around campus. i've not had that much of an effect from caffeine in a long time. i think maybe my tolerance to it is receeding somewhat. 
 
excellent.

Experienced Ephedrine user here :)
 
Drop the aspirin, I found taking 100mg or 200mg coffee (or 4 pro plus) with 2 Eph tablets to work great.
 
 
Cheste eze stuff didnt make me feel very well, i dont know why but it i felt very anxious from them, yet when i take Eph from the local dealer i just piss sweat in the gym and my body heats up!
 
So take a 2 Eph and 2-4 pro plus 20 mins before a workout (sometimes i've took 3 Eph)
 
Also taking Eph by itself is still very effective. Try 2 before a workout, and if your body can handle it, maybe up to 3 (i personally wouldnt push it past this as i always had the desired result from a cardio session)
 
I really didnt need the aspirin, even though its supposed to be a 'synergistic' combiniation when the three are together.

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OK, first post in a while. I asked about clen before and the general consensus was that my diet was a better and easier thing to change, and it's been hugely successful- I've lost loads of fat, but I've hit a bit of a wall. Reading though this thread is really useful. Anyone got any recommendations of ECA stacks? Going for the Do Do Chesteze from Boots is all very well, but I don't really want to get banned from the chemists!
 
The appetite suppressant bit sounds really useful!

I used to just take one eph30 before i trained, did plenty or cardio and diet was spot on. Leaned up proper good. Diet is always key. Then cardio cardio cardio.