ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

So there's no significant difference. As im contemplating purchasing pure ephedrine but if the effects are not drastically better than Ma Huang then there is no need.

Thanks PB!

lilbigman

I think they are trying to out-alpha you.

I'd be wary of stating it that definitely. If you've tried genuine 25-35mg Ephedrine stacks they feel pretty different to even some of the crazy-ass dosed products out now with Ephedra Alkaloids...The real ephedrine feels more like the bronchodilator it is, with massive rushing breath, while some of the Ephedra replacements feel just like strong caffeine...

Or maybe that's just my mind over matter after buying up the real stuff!

Better living through chemistry...

You didn't have to add any extra caffeine to the 'genuine' ephedrine did you? Iv been told it will over stimulate your system.

THE_MANN

lilbigman

I think they are trying to out-alpha you.

I didn't bother adding the caffeine to the pure ephedrine as I'd feel like I was having a heart attack! But personally I'm not the best with extreme stimulants and I don't drink lots of coffee so adding a few hundred mgs of caffeine to pure 30mg ephedrine would probably be overkill for me. I have found lots of guys with high stimulant tolerance use the full stack without problems though. I'd look at how you react with a few test days and back off if you can't handle it.

Better living through chemistry...

Best solution would be to drop the eph content and add caffeine. Half the eph and add 200mg caffeine.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

If you have a splittable ephedrine tab/powder or a breakable capsule you can certainly try part dosing. Just be sure what dose you start with. There are 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 25, 30, 35 and possibly even 40mg Ephedrine tabs depending on your source for it from what I've seen.

The Caffeine can help with fat metabolism and release, generally its accepted that the Aspirin part isn't required. You can throw in some natural thermogenics in there too. Green tea is always handy for that.

Be careful if you move into Clen or thyroid of any kind as the combo with real, genuine ephedrine can be lethal (or at least feel like it!) if you get it totally wrong.

Better living through chemistry...

hey all,
been a good amount of time since i been on here...  wanted to make note of the lack of progress over the past couple years.

Couple years ago when this thread was started was when I started taking an ECA stack. Mixed and changed doseing to help lose fat but it never worked for me in 1 year of testing.   After that I also stopped hitting the weights because of work (16hours a day).

Finally have plenty of time to start the training again and have been looking into new Fat buring stacks and many people have pointed me to: NO Shotgun V.3

Here is a copy and paste of the label
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Nutrition Facts

Serving Size 1 scoop
Servings Per Container 28 Amount Per Serving   % Daily Value Calories 81 Total Fat 0 g 0% Sodium 65 mg 3% Total Carbohydrate 0 g 0% Protein 20 g 40% Folate (as Folic Acid) 100% Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCl) 250% Protein Hydrolysate Matrix Yielding 22% Glutamine Peptide, 21% BCAA Peptide, & 41% EAA's. 9,660 mg Proprietary Muscle Volumizing, NO2, Insulinotrophic Matrix 10,055 mg Redline Energy & Meltdown Fat Burning Technology 377 mg *percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Ingredients: Other Ingredients: Natural & Artificial Flavors, Malic Acid, Sucralean Brand Sucralose (a Non Nutritive Sweetner), Citric Acid Anhydrous, Monosodium Phosphate Anhydrous, Trisodium Phosphate Dodecahydrate, Glycine (Food Grade). Protein Hydrolysate Matrix Yielding 22% Glutamine Peptide, 21% BCAA Peptide, & 41% EAA's (9,660 mg): (Casein Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Isolate), Proprietary Branched Chain Ethyl Ester Amino Acid Matrix [L-Leucine. L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Arginine, L-Valine Ethyl Ester, L-2-Aminopentanoic Acid (L-nor-Valine), L-Alanyl Glutamine, L-Arginine Ethyl Ester di-HCI, L-Isloeucine Ethyl Ester HCI, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCI], Proprietary Muscle Volumizing, NO2, Insulinotrophic Matrix (10,055 mg): [Creatine Gluconate, Di-L-Arginine Malate, CEX (Creatine Ethyl Ester HCI), Citrulline Malate, Creatine Taurinate, Gamma-Butyrobetaine Ethyl Ester, Creatine Monohydrate, MTB Pump (Magnesium Tanshinoate B), COP (Creatinol-O-Phosphate), Bis Picolinato Oxo Vanadium (BPOV), Di-Na Creatine Phosphate Tetrahydrate, Gamma-Butyrobetaine], Power, Speed, Strength and Endurance Matrix: [Beta-Alanine/Beta-Alanine Ethyl Ester HCI, KIC (Ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium), Guanidinopropionic Acid (GPA), Phosphates, L-Histidine, Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCI) 250%, Creatine Magnesium Chelate], Redline Energy & Meltdown Fat Burning Technology [L-Tyrosine, Hordenine HCI, Caffeine Anhydrous, Folate (as Folic Acid) 100%, Beta-Phenylethylamine HCI, R-Beta-Methylphenylethylamine].
*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

Directions

Recommended use: Do not use N.O. Shotgun v.3 with Redline or Meltdown or any other products containing caffeine or other stimulants. Mix one scoop of N.O. Shotgun v.3 with 8 to 10 ounces of water or your favorite beverage. Drink N.O. Shotgun v.3 prior to any type of athletic event or resistance training. For enhanced results consume N.O. Synthesize during and after training. Unlike other N.O. (Nitric Oxide) Supplements which may require several scoops, N.O. Shotgun v.3 is extremely powerful and requires only one scoop. The N.O. Shotgun v.3 and N.O. Synthesize supplement strategy represents the most advanced and latest research on muscle growth and athletic performance. Store in a cool, dry place. Protect from heat light and moisture. Store at 15 - 30 degrees C (59 - 86 degrees F). Drink an additional one hall (1/2) ounce of water for each pound of body weight.
 
as you can see it has protien and creatine and "therogenics" for fat buring but it dosent give amount of specifics.

Has anyone used this?  And what were the results?


Thanks all

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

Sounds more like a pre-peri workout drink with some stimulants like a lot of NO Xplode type things. Not bad but I wouldn't think of it as a fat burner all out. If you want to avoid Ephedrine I got great results with things like Hot-Rox Extreme (thyroid boost) and Shred Matrix (thermogenic and diuretic)...

Better living through chemistry...

i'm not saying i have a problem with Ephedrine, but it basically never did anything for me.

Remember, i'm in the USA so I before the Ephedrine ban in 2004, almost all "fat burners" had Ephedrine already in them, and they DID work great for me.  Since the ban i've had to seperate and use Ephedrine HCL 25mg, regular 200mg Caff. and regular 100mg asprine (along with green tea extract and Synphrene here and there to try and help with the loss) but none of it ever worked as well as the original mix of pills before the ban.

What are your thoughts?

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

Great thread!!
Just after some advice, has anyone tried Extreme Thermoburn? just ordered some and looking for some user reviews.

I am currently taking an ECA stack of 30mg UNEXO Ephedrine, 200mg caffiene and 100mg asprin x3 per day. I was getting a mild buz but this seems to have gone, hense why i have ordered the thermo.

I train 5 nyts a week weights 3 of which are follwed by a cardio workout generally spinning or x-trainer. Strugglin a little with the cardio tho as i'm only 5 months into recovery from a akilies tendon rupture. which is where the extra weight has stemed from.

Has anyone tried these 2 products? or recommend something better?

Thanks for the info in advance.
Matt

Here's my ECA stack page:

ECA Stack

Kevin
StrongandFit.net

Hi there.  This is such a great thread with so much info but my addled and overworked brain needs some clarification and advice if that's OK.
Needed to lose quite a bit of weight gained after lay-up post sporting accident. 
Started diet + ECA stack last week June 2009.  To date have lost 16kg with around 14kg to go.
Started off taking 3 doses a day (at 0630, 1100 and 1430) of  16mg Eph HCl from Century Supplements + 75mg Aspirin + 200mg caffeine (4 Pro-plus tabs).  After a couple of weeks felt I was getting a bit tolerant so upped the Eph to 24mg and kept the rest the same.  Have noticed weight loss has slowed right down to zero for last week or so.  Nutritional input ranges from 700 to 1000cals per day (with nothing after 1800) and exercise is light (have to take the dogs on long walks!).  I'm female and 5ft 8".
Anyone got any ideas how I can give myself a kickstart?  Is my ratio OK?  Should I add another dose in, change the ratio or what!?? Would appreciate any help you can give.
Cheers.
Jo

Welcome.

You are not eating enough. That's why fat loss has stopped. You are starving yourself and your metabolic rate is shot. The body is designed to keep you alive. When calories are severely restricted your body goes into starvation mode and will hold onto fat stores at all cost. It would rather cannabilise muscle tissue for it's energy requirements in such a situation. Muscle is metabolically active which means it requires (burns) calories to survive. Less muscle mass = less calories burned = vicious circle.

You must eat after 6pm. I've no idea where the notion came from but it's nuts. Again, starvation mode. The trick is to keep metabolism kicking over by proving to your body that food is always coming. This means smaller portions, more frequently.

Visit the diet section for more help.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

There was the herb i took from Africa. Its makes ephedrine look like a sleeping pill. I was hyper for over 20hours non-stop. I ran, lifted and did some more. Too much energy is a bad thing!

I prefer to be in control, no more supplements for me

 Half the herbs out of africa are pharma, Thinz (we in the UK called it Obetrol) was the most popular which was sold as 'herbal', but only if amphet is herbal in your world.

There are also things like Khat pills too, which are herbal, lots of nasty stuff in africa, be careful of what your taking :)

Just thought id add my experience:
I have just finished my 1st 4 week 'course' or ECA, did wonders for me!

Lost almost a stone and cut up pretty good!
Go to the gym 4-5 times a week and train/play rugby 3 times a week.
Made a huge difference to my rugby, while playing i felt tired but never felt like stopping, like i could keep going!

Did make me jittery at times, but got kind of used to it!
Took:
30mg eph, 1 pro-plus, 300mg aspirin
4 times a day!

Just need to find a new source now, as i have changed gym.......................

Yeah, just to add. If you go at it properly and do a full course then the sides like 'jitteryness' go after a few days.

! stone is a great result for 1 month btw!

Hi,

I've been running a cycle for 2 weeks now, here is my dosage:

2x 8g Ephedrine Tabs
4x Pro Plus Tabs

I take this half hour before my workouts which I do at 11am, but now I feel I can up the dosage..

Would you recommend I take another 1x 8g ephedrine tab around 4pm ?

FatPete buy Caffeine tablets from MyProtein or BulkPowders, you can get 200 x 200mg Tablets for about the price of 20 proplus :)

Is it safe to cycle ECA with creatine as they both have effects on the liver?