ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

Hi Im a newbie to this site so I apologize in advance for this post as you will probs not have a clue what im going on about.
I am 18years old, 5ft 7(170ish cm), 11st 2(71kg). Small I know. With a body fat % of 12.8. I have been playing sport at a high level full time for the last two years and have now stopped completely other than weight training 5/6 times a week.

Today was the first time I took ECA30+(Just the one) and was wondering if this was beneficial and healthy? I want to use them for more of an energy booster before sessions rather than stripping fat off me...is this ideal? My aim is to gain muscle mass and strength.

I am completely new to all the enhancing supplements and need some advice, and best options.

I have also been taking a Xtreme Bulk Protein drink which at first was really helping me put some muscle mass on but now I feel like I have hit a brick wall?!?!?!
The reason I went searching for an energy booster.

Oh btw I have never felt energy like that before in the gym, I felt like I could work constantly without a break.

Sorry for the long-winded post but thought it would be best if you knew my situation in detail!

Thanks for reading and will be looking forward to replies!

NeO 

Welcome.

No, it's not a good idea to use ephedrine as an 'energy booster'. Doing so promotes the mindset that eph will always be necessary to accomplish a decent workout.

Not only that, but usage may also interfere with appetite levels which is not ideal when looking to add mass.

Your brick wall is most likely one of two things:

1 - Your diet is suboptimal and lacking in areas, most probably in sufficient calories to grow.

2 - Your training is stagnent. You need to try different training methods, splits, strip/drop sets, supersets etc etc. Whatever is necessary to shock your body into further progress.

Please seek further assistance for both criteria in the relevant forums for specific advice.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

Thanks for the reply Partyboy.

It is definetly my training routine.
Ive read in one top about the 5x5 routines and i am going to give that a go, how long should it be before I see a gain or if this routine is working for me?
And how long do you reccomend I should keep the same routine as I have done mine for far too long now!

Oh and what would be the outcome if you drank alcohol with ECA? (Just a query)

Cheers

Keep a routine whilever it is working. Give it  3 or 4 months to gauge progess. Increases in performance (reps) would be a good indication of progress.

You can have a drink while using ECA. I would avoid eph though if you were drinking to excess.

Please DO NOT pm me with questions that can be legitimately asked on the board.

Thanks for all your help PartyBoy. Much Appreciated

Thanks for all your help PartyBoy. Much Appreciated

Thanks for all your help PartyBoy. Much Appreciated

im thinking to buy eph 30+ extreme to lose weight
i used to be 100kg pure muscle like a few years ago and i stopped working out completely. im now 143kg ive still got 80% of my muscle and im wanting to know if the ephedrine is gonna help me shed that 40k of fat, is this possible?

Hi I am 5 days into my first ECA cycle.
 
For the first 4 days I took one dose per day (to establish my levels of tolerance, sides etc) of: 

Ephedrine 24mgs (Kaisien HCL)
Caffeine 200mg
Aspirin 75mg
Today I have started taking the above stack twice a day but if honest have not noticed anything different at all over the 5 days. Whilst I appreciate from reading this thread i can take 3 doses per day of up to 3omgs eph I intend to build up gradually. The absence of any feeling is good from a personal perspective but does not seem to fit the info contained within the thread. Is this normal and if not what sort of 'symtoms' should I be feeling?
 
Any advice would be appreciated.

Hope this thread hasn't gone cold...

I need some advice please!!!

These are my stats;

I am female, 5'7, weigh roughly 190lbs

I have just ordered 150 8mg caps of pure eph and would like to do the ECA stack using normal aspirin and coffee / diet coke for the caffeine.

I will of course, be curbing my eating and training in the gym at the same time.

My question is; what dosages should I be taking? I want this for pure weight loss - if I could get down to 130lbs I would be ecstatic - but am entirely new to this sort of thing.

Please help, Party Boy!! 

New article now added:
Ephedrine & Ephedra, and the Associated Alkaloids and Compounds which includes information on ECA and herbal preparations.  It's a detailed article in 2 parts:

Part 1
Part 2

James Collier
MT Co-Owner & Nutrition Consultant

James

Great article!!

James,

Are you able to help me with my dosing?

Thanks!

Party Boy, 
Seems like you're the star of this topic! 


With that said, I've got some questions for you. 
Buying eph stateside is next to impossible, so I've come across a few sources, but the downside is, that I'll have to buy in bulk. I read that you only want to cycle 'eph' for a maximum of 12wks, which means, I'll have enough to last years. My source told me it's got a good shelf life, so that's a good thing!


Anyways, for the questions...


These are 30mg... Legit? 

Should I start my doses small, around 30mg or so, till I work up to around 75mg, for daily consumption?  

NSFatty


James,

Are you able to help me with my dosing?

Thanks!

Hi NSFatty - welcome

I would stick to the dose amounts here: http://articles.musclet...ephedrine-ephedra-2.aspx - and take them as suggested in the article

I've only used EPH and ECA stacks (the kind you get in pill form pre mixed), is it better just to buy ephedrine tablets or the kind I mentioned?

Anything can be achieved if you simply believe

Hi James

Thanks for all of the info included in this thread it has been a big help. I have one question regarding ephedrine and would you be able to let me know if there is lots of fakes around at the moment. I have recently sorted some from a new source and when I tried them they made me feel really ill. This is about the third time I have experienced a bad batch and it seems that recently it has got worse. Have you any ideas on how to check the quality etc. Any help would be a big help

thanks

The Saint


I've only used EPH and ECA stacks (the kind you get in pill form pre mixed), is it better just to buy ephedrine tablets or the kind I mentioned?

Personal preference.

vanny1


Hi James

Thanks for all of the info included in this thread it has been a big help. I have one question regarding ephedrine and would you be able to let me know if there is lots of fakes around at the moment. I have recently sorted some from a new source and when I tried them they made me feel really ill. This is about the third time I have experienced a bad batch and it seems that recently it has got worse. Have you any ideas on how to check the quality etc. Any help would be a big help

thanks

Hi vanny - welcome

I cannot comment on fakes for professional reasons.  You should always acquire ephedrine through a licenced medical practitioner.

Sorry I am unable to help more.  Maybe others can...?

there is a shocking amount of bad ephedrine on the market. Some seems to work slightly when first dosed, but after a few days it's apparent that there are other chemicals added. There is still decent Eph to be had but it's a bit of pot luck to find them. Even Pharma turkish Arsan which used to be very good 50mg hCL doesnt seem to be the same quality it used to be and I'm sure this was legit Arsan.