ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

Welcome to MT. ^^^ Good advice above.

 

Thanks for the advice

I bought a pack of Do-Do's Chest-eze and upon reading the active ingredients the main constituent is

Theophylline 100mg
Ephadrine HCL 18.31 mg
Caffeine 30mg


Doing some other research it appears that theophylline is not the nicest drug around. Athsmatics used to be prescrivbed it as a bronchial dilator but this has been superseeded by other drugs due to its sides and variability of breakdown (from 2 hrs to 20 hrs dependent on age, sex and other factors).
This means that adverse effects due to theophylline can vary widely.

Here is an article in T-Nation which details some of the problems:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=B343FC32697B9986AE5672C4B108717F.hydra?id=461426


The upshot is that by getting your required dose of ephedrine in this way leaves you open to the (wholly adverse) effects of to much theophylline.

Needless to say, I ain't taking these any more.

I've being finding that since starting eph and caff, I'm constantly high. Even 8-10 hours after I take it so (no sh*t) I have being having problems sleeping, seriously my heart pounds. I have only just started and probably shouldn't have jumped straight into 50mg x3 daily.
What I'd like to know is this a concernable health risk and are there any ways to help come down at night? Is it true that vitamin c works well?

It might be worth noting that I started this at the same time as tren and winstrol while on roaccutane. Thanks.

ORIGINAL: redxiii

I have only just started and probably shouldn't have jumped straight into 50mg x3 daily.

I would say that's a fair assumption. I've started taking it again and am using 1 * 16mg daily.

What I'd like to know is this a concernable health risk

There are risks with any drug though eph does have a good safety record in those who use sensibly and are free from existing cardiac issues.

and are there any ways to help come down at night?

No.

 

heres my current stats just as an FYI... over the past 2 weeks (after being 2 months off of ECA)
Day 1, 2
1-dose
25mg eph
200 mg caff
400mg GreenTea Extract

Day 3-7
2-dose
25mg eph
200 mg caff
400mg GreenTea Extract

Day 8-14
2-dose
25mg eph
200 mg caff
400mg GreenTea Extract
20mg synephrine


The Green Tea seems to have boosted my results as compared to my usuall ECA stack... and the addition of synephrine after a week boosted my stamina (as if i took an extra dose of Caff).
This is the first day (day 15) i havent taken anything, I feel drained and have had a headache for most of the day... i will be off the stack for 2 weeks before i start again.

So far this has been the best stack i've used in years.

If tears could burst though my muscular ducts, I would cry like a baby who was just hit with a hammer.

I dont know its it me, but does anyone get slight stomach pains whilst on ECA? it may be just my diet and i'm not going for number 2's enough! or the eff is doing it?

I took,

1 chesteze
100mg caffiene
150mg asp'

today, felt heart race after about 10 min for around a minute then nothing.. is 18.3mg enough eph?

im not fat, im big boned

It is for some, not for others.

 

Do you think it might be becuase im using chesteze?, ive noticed a lot of people saying there not good, in which way are they not good, isn't all eph hcl the same..

im not fat, im big boned

Don't know bro, I've never used it.

 

well lets say, no more ECA, no more pain! im staying away from it. ordered some animal cuts instead.

Is there such thing as eca hangover, i just managed to get up n feel n look awful..

im not fat, im big boned

Took 27mg of eph twice today with 170mg caffiene (didnt want to take too much caf since that tricypphalllalala in chesteze is meant to be like it). Still not feeling a buzz of any kind, and feel really tired even though i had 12 hours sleep last night.

Shall keep every1 updated on my progress had 11.1% fat yesterday which isn't too bad considering ive been off training in a strop for about half a year, started the weights again yesters (i ache bad) and starting the kickboxing again friday, so all is on the up.

Thought the eph might get me depressed but i feel great (maybe thats due to the tt+zma i dunno) although i did feel really awful, like i had a mega hangover this morning.

im not fat, im big boned

Didn't get any sleep last night, and not for anything worthwhile either
The eph seems to be working on raising body temp,, still no buzz though and im getting out of breath a lot easier than normal.. should i up the caffiene even more had 250mg first dose this morning but still no buzz..

im not fat, im big boned

hi mate
as with any drug that 'alters' your hormonal axis this will also happen when using ephedrine. in layman's terms - your body is getting used to it. eph will 'interfere' with hormones etc, that are produced by the adrenal cortex.

to keep the effects to the max you should cycle the dosages and the days that you use it. you should take off-days from it as well. as a guide u should use maybe one dose in the morning before breakfast(then do your cardio) then have a dose before training in the afternoon - not too close to bed-time as this will keep your body temp raised etc,and you will find it difficult to sleep.

on lighter training days use only one dose and on off-days use nothing.adding green tea extract is a good idea. and remember to take a few days off from using the eph every now and then.you will feel down and a bit weaker than normal when you train, but train as hard as usual.
as i said your body gets used too it and stops producing certain things - this will sonn get back to normal.
then continue your cycle and it will work wonders again.

"The usefulness of a cup is it's emptyness"

I wanted to loose some weight, I managed to get hold of some ephedrine hydrochloride 30mg tablets about a month ago. I took around 4 tablets at a time once a day and then after a week took 6 tablets at a time once a day for about 4 weeks, lost a bit of weight but not as much as i had hoped. My supplier didn't know much on how to get best effect out of them and recommended a came on here and asked someone. Im not looking to gain any maximum muscle or anything i do go gym and just to light work out running and a bit of weight lifting, mostly want to loose some weight.

Can anyone advise me on how many ephedrine hydrochloride 30mg tablets i need to take and how many times a day to gain maximum weight loss.

Please read through this thread - all the information is contained herein. Needless to say, you have been dosing it quite dangerously imho.

 

Well took my first ECA stack today, just one dose and it consisted of;

2 chesteze
4 pro plus
1/2 aspirin

I took this lot at 4.30 today and i am still feeling the effects lol. Been for 1/2 hour run and still full of energy, so really pleased with the effects, don't think i can see myself taking this stuff 3 times a day though.

shez

hehe, Im gonna start mine from sunday. Kinda getting curious if itll effect me in anyway.

Hi, i was woundering what was smart to eat while and after you have taken the eca-stack.
Much, little or regular?
I figure that if you loose that kind of fat your body will response with putting down the leptin amount in your body, then to loose fat again you must rise this amount to a normal level to get an optimal fat loss? Am i wrong? I have very little information about the smartest diet when taking eca, maybe i should have posted this in the diet forum

Yes please do shank - there are plenty of knowledgable guys/gals in there that can sort your diet.

 

Hi, i have brought Thermalean from AstroNutrition:
Each capsule contains:
Ma Huang................................350 mg
(standardized for 28 mg ephedrine)
Kola Nut..................................350 mg
(standardized for 175 mg caffeine)
Chromium Picolinate................200 mg
White Willow.............................25 mg

it says on the container to take 1 or 2 pills with each meal, but having read most of this thread, it is recommended to take 45mins before meal.
Can you tell me when it's best to take it?

Thanks

30-45mins before meals

Welcome to MT

 

I been taking this ECA from yesterday, and wanted to know if this numbing feeling in my right hand normal. Gotta say it takes a while to kick in though but I get the wierd feeling and the heart pumping. I actually thought I would be tolerant to the side effects....guess Im not.

Hi all,

I've just bought the thermalean original formula from astronutrition for my girlfriend, she is after losing some weight.

Each capsule contains:

Ma Huang 350 mg
(standardized 8% for 28 mg ephedrine)
Kola Nut 350 mg
(standardized 50% for 175 mg caffeine)
Chromium Picolinate 200 mg
White Willow 25 mg


Just a quick question, I was thinking of taking these as well to lose that last bit of stubborn fat on my stomach but I work on the railway and get randomly drugs tested - i was wondering if I take these will they show up on a drugs test??

Thanks for reading

Mark

Welcome. It will not be a problem with standard employer drug tests

 

Isn't ephredrine basically the same as speed? (ampthetamines) ???

No.

There is a very small possibility though that poor testing practices could yield a false positive for amphet from eph use.

 

Hello PartyBoy, I've just found this site after seeing an advert in Fighters Only Mag. Your article is excellent, I've read through all the associated posts and would like to use an ECA stack as I play judo and need to cut my weight for competitions.

I'm a bit confused on some bits and wonder if you are able to answer my questions please?

1. Eph HCL from Astro Nutrution is 8mg per tablet does this mean to get the required 20-30mg per dose I will need to take 3 tablets three times a day or are their tablets produced to only require 1 tablet three times a day for the required effect?

2. I understood that Ephedrine is POMs in this country is this still the case and if so does that mean Astro's Eph HCL is Ma Huang and if so will this require a lower dose?

3. I have read that Do Do Chestease can give extra side effects (over and above Eph HCL) would you suggest giving these a miss as a source of Ephedrine?

4. If I were to know where to get Ephedrine locally would this be a better option for my source than a commercial site or the DO DOs?

Thanks for your time.

Welcome Jai

1. At 8mg per tab you would need 3 tabs per dose, and a typical max daily dose of 9 tabs. However, using smaller dosage tabs does give a finer control in tapering up dosages to your personal requirement/tolerance.

2. Eph HCL is legal to sell. Some however (including myself) find ma huang to provide better appetite controlling properties.

3. There are reports of chest-eze seeming harsher on sides. I would use other sources where possible.

4. Possibly (cheaper), though you must have a certain level of faith in your source to trust that you receive what you expect.

 

Thanks for your prompt reply PartyBoy your info is helpful. After your comments regarding Ma Huang I am interested in possibly using this as an alternative to Eph HCL can you suggest a supplier and product name for this please? Also do you feel it is as effective as Eph HCL?

Thanks Jai.

I think its as good as HCL as appetite control is a big part of reason for using this type of product. There are a few on Astro site such as Hydrolean. Choose a formula similar to that one which looks the best on price.

 

Thanks for the reply mate, in your opinion would say say that Hydrolean produces better results than the ECA stack? Thanks for your time.

Yeah it makes sense.

As for feeling it i really don't at low doses so i have been upping it until i can feel 'something'.

I'll continue as i am if that's the case

Hi Partyboy,

I was wondering about the rocommended dosage on this product :

http://astronutrition.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1&products_id=7

As you can see at the bottom it says 1 or two capsules with each meal. This is conflicting to your advice in your first post where you say to take a single dose. Its seems quite alot to jump in with say if you are, not basing it on a Bodybuilder 6 meal diet, but say three times a day? That could be either 3 or 6 capsules?

Im wondering as a beginner how you would cycle this:

Ma Huang 350 mg (standardized 8% for 28 mg ephedrine)
Kola Nut 350 mg (standardized 50% for 175 mg caffeine)
Chromium Picolinate 200 mg
White Willow 25 mg

Thanks

The suggested dose looks high tbh.

One cap, 3 times a day would be the max to suit most.

 

FFS was looking forward to going back to Aus and starting an ECA stack only to find out ephedrine is completely banned in all forms. The best I can get is synepherine which is a citrus based extract...

"If Pacman had affected us as kids we'd be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." - Marcus Brigstocke.

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hey partyboy, superb information everyone is clearly appreciating it. in reference to the product referred to by surpherph, it contains 175mg caffeine and 28mg eph, but by my calculations, the white willow is 25mg (standerdised at 15% salacin) which means it contains the equivalent of 3.75mg aspirin. just to make sure that's correct i worked it -

15(%salacin in white willow) / 100 * 25(mg of white willow) = 3.75mg aspirine
15/100*25=3.75.

is this correct?! lol
so should i take a baby aspirine to work synergistically with the e & c.

thanks in advance, rum

Does seem low. The herbal preps tend to contain around 100mg white willow. You could take a baby asp with them, though I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh