First Cycle Blues

 
I have recently gone though my first cycle with a mate but have suffered huge loss.
 
We both did 10 weeks on test e 500mg p/w, 5kg gain and all was looking good. Over xmas started taking Nova, took one week off training over xmas as I was away and so did my mate. A week after starting the pct, we both suffered massive size loss.
 
Now we're aware that you cant keep all gains but personally ive lost around 7-8kgs and am smaller than when I began the cycle. Ironically although im lighter than when i started it, i'm stronger but not as strong as when at peak.
 
I'm trying to work out where we went wrong. Diet and calories were right.
 
I want to do a second cycle but worried I might end up back at square one again with money wasted on gear and food.
 
Any ideas?

You can only lose weight if you aren't eating enough to maintain the weight mate (other than what water weight you may drop). You shouldn't lose much if any at all of your first cycles real muscle gains if you continue to work hard and eat right after the cycle mate, diet is the first point to correct.
 
Bigfella.

Im doing my 1st injectible cycle too... giving 12 weeks a crack, and if Im still gaining and sides are still low, I may increase to 14 weeks.
 
I didnt loose a lot of gains from my previous oral cycles... so hopefully this is the same. Please God...

Cheers for the reply.
 
I feel as though we were puting away enough cals to maintain it, around 3000 however for the week over xmas, the diet wasnt as strict (too many chocolates etc...) and may have undone the hard work.
 
How long after a cycle does one need to maintain a good diet with high cals in order to keep most gains?

Was you training throughout your pct? This is important!
Protien shakes, eating regular etc should be the same as bulking, perhaps you wasnt eating quite enough through cycle.

I made the mistake of cutting after my first cycle and I dropped more than I gained, sounds like you have unintentionally done the same!

It all counts, I put on a few k over Xmas from eating crap but am on top of it already although I should be bulking I can't stand having a gut!

Minger

Footballaddict


Cheers for the reply.

I feel as though we were puting away enough cals to maintain it, around 3000 however for the week over xmas, the diet wasnt as strict (too many chocolates etc...) and may have undone the hard work.

How long after a cycle does one need to maintain a good diet with high cals in order to keep most gains?

You always have to keep calories high enough to maintain the muscle weight you have added mate, once you drop calories you will lose weight (can be a good thing if done right and fat loss is the goal).
 
Other than water weight which goes quite quickly, you will only ever lose weight if you are not eating enough to maintain it.
 
Bigfella.

Liebow


Im doing my 1st injectible cycle too... giving 12 weeks a crack, and if Im still gaining and sides are still low, I may increase to 14 weeks.

I didnt loose a lot of gains from my previous oral cycles... so hopefully this is the same. Please God...

 
i agree dude make the most out for your 1st cycle if you still gaining then keep going ;)

Footballaddict


Cheers for the reply.

I feel as though we were puting away enough cals to maintain it, around 3000 however for the week over xmas, the diet wasnt as strict (too many chocolates etc...) and may have undone the hard work.

How long after a cycle does one need to maintain a good diet with high cals in order to keep most gains?

 
forever dude, there only permanant if you work to keep and feed them, if not then say bye bye

op its weird that you lost so much, were you drinking over the off period and pct etc? drink rips the weight off me also raises carbolic hormones which will be overly high in your body after a cycle anyway, then taking away the anabolic hormones (aas) then your in a muscle distroying state and is 1 reason why you lossed everything and more........

What if one did a little cycle of Winstrol/Stano... could you maintain muscle and cut the fat... or until your reccuperated enough to go back to eating big? I know after bulking, I think "How much more can I take?", and what Id do for a few weeks of eating less but holding onto muscle...
I know that sounds barmy, but is it impossible?

do you mean take winstrol adfter pct and eat less but still maintain?
 
if so then no as the winstrol will still effect your hormones and you need your natty hormones to be as high as possible, eating after pct is prob more important than while on cycle as you dont have the extra hormones to help you keep the weight up......
 
gaining the weight on cycle can be easy, keeping it in the long run is a long term comitment to yourself so you cant slack off on anything or you risk loosing (and in most cases will) what you have worked for

Makes sense....
 
 

Just a query really, did you add any hcg in before ur pct, I'm no expert but you might have shut down after your cycle,. I guess its a learning curve. I'm on my last week of the same cycle but my goals are to lose weight so it would benefit me really.

 
I didn't drink much over xmas. I took one week off training over the xmas period when I was away which was also the week I didnt eat well. You know what xmas is like...
This is around the time I started my pct. The following week I had dropped in strength but didnt think much of it until the end of the training week, i weighed myself and i was 5 kgs lighter than i was 2 weeks earlier.
I didnt have any hcg before pct.
 
It's not just me though, my training partner suffered the same but he had a longer break. I'm guessing the timing of the pct and xmas (with possible drop of calories) have been our downfall.
 

probably dude as i think hcg isnt a must have on that cycle you ran, ive ran that before without hcg and been fine, longer cycles or with more aas then yes, but 500mg test e is pritty basic and didnt shutme down to hard.
 
more likely it was the drop in callaries, if you put so much effort into gaining the muscle on cycle you need to put even more in to keep it, dropping calories is a sure way to loose what youve worked for. it can take 9month minimum for you body to adjust to a big change like rapid weight gain, you needd to work for this whole period and behond to keep it.
 
getting the muscle with aas is easy, but your body still has to re-tune itself to accept the new weight gain which it will try its best not to do, you give it a cant to get rid of you gains and it took it...
 
remember, what your mind(you) wants and what you brain needs to survive is 2 totally difrent things, your mind wants the muscle your brain doesnt and it will take a long time for your brain to adjust to the fact that you are making it keep the lbm, if not then this is what happens and will everytime dude... getting rid of this new imature muscle is alot easier for your body to do than have to grow capileries and nerves in to keep it alive.
 
 
 
its like loading you van up with a full load, its going to put stress your van and the only way to stop it is to either upgrade your suspension, tyres brakes etc or to dump the load, and its easier to dump the load than have to work to re-tune your vehicle to carry the load (basicly put but think it paint the picture lol)

Good methaphore, makes a lot of sense....