First cycle. Tren/test. Advice please :)

So I'm about to do my first AAS cycle of tren/test enanthate at 350/600 a week. And yes i know how harsh trenbolone can be but i have done my research and i know that i am more than ready for it. The only thing i couldn't find is by how much should i increase my calories during the cycle and by how much should i increase the volume of my training. Currently i weight in at just over 200lbs at around 8%bf (if you need my exact training routine ill be more than happy to post up)  Any help will be much appreciated.

Chris 

You bulking or cutting?

oh sorry haha, forgot to mention the most obvious thing. Im on a very lean bulk.

a very lean bulk?
Do you mean you are just going to blow up with water and glycogen due to the high dosage and then lose it all when you come off?
 
The only thing i couldn't find is by how much should i increase my calories during the cycle and by how much should i increase the volume of my training.

 
If you don't know that then maybe you shouldn't be taking the stuff in the first place.

No i mean will aim to eat enough to gain a decent amount of weight but minimise fat gains. 
 
 
This is exactly why i am asking.... I'm not gonna take the stuff if i don't work out the exact number of calories i should be eating and how to alter my training..... your response doesn't make any sense.
 

I wasn't going to post as you have pretty much stated what your gonna do but anyway

Tren simply shouldn't be run as a first cycle, there are all sorts of side effects that could bite you in the back side if your not prepared for them. You should run test on its own 3 -500 mg per week and learn how your body reacts.

Re diet: You really have to go one way or the other with a diet bulk or cut, forget "lean" bulking or you'll simply not eat enough. Imo Maintenance cals plus 500 plus whatever your burning in the gym you must be in +ve cals to build keep able mass that means putting on a bit of body fat, if you eat clean then you will minimise fat gain..

Minger

I wouldnt advise tren for a first time user, very harsh aas stick to a test only cycle see how you handle that.

thanks for the input. tbh i know what you're saying with the tren but if you're anything like me, which i think all bodybuilders are, once you've set your mind on something theres no going back. Its nothing personal but no matter what people say i will go ahead with tren cycle, its just something that i literally HAVE to do now.
 
So if i eat 3500cals a day right now to maintain, i should add 500 plus whatever i burn in the gym. So thats 4000 plus gym calories. Would you have any advice as to how i should alter my training? This will impact both recovery and my daily calories themselves.

I think you'd gain better on just the Test... but if your dying to do Tren, then go ahead... but it may shock your system for the future. Be warned... but best of luck there.
 
Eat lots. Get around 200g protein each day, and a variety of mixed carbs and fats... then space it out over the day, every 2-3 hours. Chicken, Beef, Fish, Pork, Sweet Potato, Pasta, Brown Rice, Oats... with these staples, you'll make some quality mass. Dont worry if you gain a little fat, its all part of the script.... this is what cutting is for later. Me personally, for protein shakes, I got large Mass shakes that cover 150g protein, 3000cals and 400g carbs (2 shakes a day). I work my diet and additional protein around that, and Im making quality gains....
 
Is there any way you might reconsider leaving the Tren?

There is no need at all to run anything other than Test only in your first cycle, there will be plenty of time in future where adding other things will prove their worth but now isn't the time, you need to build the base to start with and adding other things will only increase potential side effects at this time.
You say you have done loads of research? If you had, you would realise what a mistake that cycle would be mate.
 
Bigfella.

Your missing steps out pal, missing how good you feel on test alone.... tren great results lots of sides that arnt nice,
dont run before ya walk pal, bbing is not a sprint.....
 

I think your wrong not all bodybuilders are like that at all, I think injecting anything into your body that fundamentally changes the way it woks should be approached with great care.

It's not like taking in alcohol or recreational drugs that is all over and done with in a few hours.

Anyway the last I'm gonna say on the matter, just don't become another statistic that the government can use against steroids and it's abuse.

Minger

Ahem to that...

please lisen to the above advice...   no need to go to the top of the shelf....    SIDES.....   do some test first as said. the lads on here no there stuff.....   kro......

I'm about 5 weeks into my first injectable cycle, just running test. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering running tren for my next cycle. But having said that there is no way in hell I would have used it for my first cycle.

I would have, if I'd listened to the real world instead of the forum nonsense but thats me and it's Solely because I'm blessed with not being prone to sides, if I'd blew up with acne or gyno first time around on test and eq I'd probably think differently. I took a gamble and it's paid off so far, you might not be do lucky... Definitely worth considering holding off on tren before you know where you stand mate.

I've never been one to preach though so If you've made your mind up mate then crack on, you're a grown man and youll learn from your own mistakes, or successes as the case may be but if you get a load of side effects then understand you'll have no fvcking clue how to combat them and itl shaft your whole cycle...


Also take the increased difficulty with regards to recovery and adapting your approach to take all that into consideration but you prob know all that already

CitizenKane


I'm about 5 weeks into my first injectable cycle, just running test. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering running tren for my next cycle. But having said that there is no way in hell I would have used it for my first cycle.

Im exactly the same mate. But I keep telling myself "Next cycle will be Test E/C @ 500mg for 10 weeks with an Oxy kickstarter and PCT bridge"... but I keep getting horrible temptations to take Tren... ah well, Ill know when the moment comes if Im strong or weak LOL 

I did tren on my 2nd cycle. Ive done a fair few cycles now.
I get on pretty well with tren tho. Lower back cramps are the worst side for me. Night sweats don't really bother me and I seem to sleep ok on it too. I do get anxiety when on it, but because I know what is causing it I dont worry about it.

The reason the guys are saying wait till 2nd cycle, is because if you get bad sides, how will you know which med to attribute it to? You've never ran test, so it could be that, but you've never ran tren either?... See what I mean?

Do what you wanna do mate, but take our advice on board, we've all started somewhere and just trying to help you make the best decision based on our experience.

TBH for me the main side ffects are damaging injuries as a result of strength increasing too quickly before the rest of the body's support structure is built to handle it! You can build more than enough strength and muscle on a basic Test only cycle to start a base to build upon each successive cycle so adding more is risky and pointless IMHO.
We build much more than just muscle strength over our yyears of training and at this stage yours won't be ready to handle what you intend throwing at it, be careful!
 
Bigfella