First cycle - anavar advice please

still early days and not 100% certain but wanted some advice form here
 
so initially thinking of an 8 week cycle, first 2 days at 2 x 5mg, 1st week at 2 x 10mg, next week at 30mg and then the remainder at 40mg. only reason i was doing this was to assess tolerance and i know some people get really bad headaches off it. i guess thats technically a proper 6 week cycle at a decent dosage.
 
What signs do you look for to start taking nolva during? im also curious if var doesnt shut you down they why you need pct? as ive read pct is needed.
 
I read king of leons write up here - http://www.muscletalk.co....076461&high=anavar
 
was going to take milk thistle but not sure what dose? i rad 500 - 1000 mg ed, and id imagine i start taking when i start var. i take a multi vit with vit c and e, i take it those doses would be enough. would you recommend R Ala as well?
 
also going to take trib too but is avena sativa necessary also - just to ensure libido stays ok. is this after or during cycle?
 
how long to you wait after a cycle to start another? if all went well i would run 50mg ed on my next.
 
if i do get any sides, do you stop taking immediately or have to ease off?
 
Any other advice you can offer really.... cheers

Just got back from the gym and off to cook.
 
Forget the var and go with a test product at 500mg for 10/12 weeks
 
No point pissing about with var it's expensive and will not do much at 40mg
 
First cycle should be a test cycle mate forget the orals if you can't inject are not for you end off
 
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I woudnt worry about sides from var mate, if you get sides from var you might as well pack it in and head home.

I'd say up the dose to 60mg mate and run with that every day, dont bother tapering on or off or any of that sh1te, you'll see some good results from that if you work hard enough. I'd also extend it to 8 weeks in duration, dont worry about the vitamin supplements and milk thistle and all that sh1te, forget about those, it's a gimmick and isnt necessary at all, it's just supplements pushed by those with a vested interest...  all it does is increase the cost.

I'd consider adding test as toobig said but it depends if you're ready to go down that route, 250-500mg a day is a decent shout.

In terms of muscle gain though you'd be better off just going with 30mg of dbol a day for 6-8 weeks, far cheaper, far more productive in terms of what you'll get out of it. 

Cheers guys
 
i was actually orig thinking of 250 - 400 p/wk of test e... but im actually being given var for free! Was en passing mentioning it to a mate who i never knew is on trt and perm now so said he has no use for them now.
 
not 250 - 500 test e everyday??? are you sure sawdust, you mean one day p/wk right?
 
was looking at dbol but maybe not just yet.
 
so they are not worth taking on its own? il run the test first if thats what you recommend then, means back to the drawing board for research! On top of that hes my only source and doesnt need another order for 6 months, but i can wait i guess.
 
its not that injections worry me, its just i know these are pretty safe and read a fair amount that they are a good starting point for a beginners wanting a bit of mass but more lean muscle./strength.
 
was gonna collect them tonight, reckon i shuld leave it for now then and just consider starting test e in summer time when he re-orders?
 
 

hey if they're free go get em - you can always use them at a later date. i was gonna do an anavar only cycle but after a lot of reading i'm thinking more along the lines of a test e cycle maybe with var thrown in at the end.

Test and var is a nice cycle

I would take any roid if it's free
 
 

well i picked em up....
 
im going to research a test e cycle a bit more, dont want to stack both on my first go me thinks one or the other.
 
if i go for the var first (which seeing as i have i may do) he kindly gave me nolva too which il run after, but when should i (if necess) add trib, after cycle also id imagine along with the nolva or after?
 
think i got a bit more understand anyway, no rush to take em, although tempting.. got 2 big parties coming up and heard its not good to drink while on any cycle esp an oral, so il wait til end of the month anyhow.
 

is that your 1st cycle jack?
 

Jack About


hey if they're free go get em - you can always use them at a later date. i was gonna do an anavar only cycle but after a lot of reading i'm thinking more along the lines of a test e cycle maybe with var thrown in at the end.

How much var you got so we can work out the best cycle for you.

I would use then both together if you got the var free with the test
 
beginners cycle would be test/dbol but you could use var in it's place now you have it
 
Test should be the base of any cycle mate. I so wish I didn't mess about for nearly a year with orals at the start for me. You can mess about with exotic roids if you want too for a while but way better injectables meds out there with better results

i only got var 100 x 10. i dont have any test. i probably wont be able to get that until may/june now as my mates already placed his order for a while, or guess i could try and find my own.
 
you mean mess about in the sense you didnt get results you wanted and wasted time?
 

dont think you've got enough var for a decent cycle mate,even at 40mg a day you wont get 3 weeks out of that,just got some myself to use on my next cycle(kickstart) till longer esters kick in,i got 500 tabs to last 8 weeks???,there's no point in planning a cycle unless you can get your hands on your own  gear/source???

patternsco


i only got var 100 x 10. i dont have any test. i probably wont be able to get that until may/june now as my mates already placed his order for a while, or guess i could try and find my own.

you mean mess about in the sense you didnt get results you wanted and wasted time?

cant your mate just put you in touch with his source?... 

 

no fair play mate thanks for the advice to more the better tbh, and even though i have it im not hurrying to take it, still need to definately know more but after alot of research you can get a bit confused with so many varying views hence was time to start asking questions on here.
 
yes mate he has given me the source, but the min order is pretty high, was thinking of that then getting some test too, but id need to spend more than i think id need, dont want to get carried away here. 
 
Just spoke to him and he mentioned maybe hold on to it, and as im a beginner trying something designer like epi first then he'll prob re-order in april/may time i could get a proper course of var/test e then. not to turn the tables but you think go with some epi instead then for now?
 

personally save your money for a proper AAS cycle,PH/DS are just trying to be steroids so why not just go the full mile,even on PH/DS you will still need to do a pct and there are still side effects to contend with.
As already stated earlier by others 500mg test e a week first cycle or good old d'bol/oxy's,but just my opinion fella.

i'd also hold off until you can get the real deal mate, prohormones to me are like those nights when you go out on the pull and set your sights on a fit bird but as the night draws on you somehow end up chatting to her ugy mate and then end up going back to hers and bumming her... you wanted to do it properly with the fit one, the effective one but you didnt, you settled for second best but hey... it's not all that bad, you still got anal. 

You know what i'm talking about, everyone does, Prohormones are alright but you might as well do it properly, you'll get a lot more out of it.

You might as well hold off and take your chances with the real thing, the thing you desire most. 


Abstract some may say... but true nonetheless. 

^^^^^^^
 
I just got tea all over my pc
 
Top one mate

with comments like that mate,no wonder you got my vote dust???

Sawdust


i'd also hold off until you can get the real deal mate, prohormones to me are like those nights when you go out on the pull and set your sights on a fit bird but as the night draws on you somehow end up chatting to her ugy mate and then end up going back to hers and bumming her... you wanted to do it properly with the fit one, the effective one but you didnt, you settled for second best but hey... it's not all that bad, you still got anal. 

You know what i'm talking about, everyone does, Prohormones are alright but you might as well do it properly, you'll get a lot more out of it.

You might as well hold off and take your chances with the real thing, the thing you desire most. 


Abstract some may say... but true nonetheless. 

haha... ok
 
im gonna see if i can get a small order, no harm in trying. if not guess im waiting as im not gonna waste time and money finding my own only to be disappointed with fake or scam.
 
ok so 2 things:
 
- if im going to run var i need 6 weeks at 40/50mg ed, is 20/20/20 nolva enough and you reckon clomid aswell is over kill?
 
- im not sure about running teste/var together first time. so if i went for test e, what cycle and pct would you recommend or shall i open another thread for this?). Overall difference between test e and var in terms of results? Would 250 x 1 p/wk be enough for first run. Mate said he ran 500 a while back and got huge fast, said its too much for first time to test out 250 and see how i go.
 
im definately not after huge size gains, lost alot of fat and bought a whole bloody new wardrobe this year, dont want to buy another damn one. if i can put a bit on but mainly get lean and more dense would be perfect. im 85kg 6ft, ideal would be say 90kg solid with a tiny bit more fat off. over the course of the year that is not just from the cycle.
 
thoughts?