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First cycle - epistane 10 February 2010 23:15 (permalink)
Hey guys my names blake.
 
I have just created an account, never really needed one before as never really wanted to post or if I needed any questions answered I got a few friends who are members and would post.
 
Anyways...
 
I have been training as a natural for about 6 years now and made some very good gains. I have a phobia of needles so thought I would give prohormones ago. I also have some gyno from puberty and so always been worried about flaring it up again. So after lots of reading I decided to go with epistane and do a 6week cycle of 30/30/30/30/30/30, along with this I have liv52, hawthorn berry, fish oil capsules, an oil blend, glucosomine and some other vits.
PCT is reversitol, lean xtreme, creatine and mega cissus
 
Starting weight is 195lbs, bf im not to sure. My main aim is to probably gain a little weight while leaning out.  Always wanted to be 200lbs and looking pretty damn good!
 
Diet is similar to this..
1- 2 scoops oats and 1.5 scoops of protein powder mixed together. Tastes like choc pudden when left over night in fridge!
2- post workout shake
4- 130g chicken and satchet of uncle bens rice which is about 250g
5- protein shake and 2 spoonfuls of oil blend
6- same as 4
7- same as 5
8- depening on when I go to bed another  shake.
 
 
I started the cycle on monday 8th feb and thought I would start posting on here as it gives me something to do, I can ask for advice and it can be used by others who are considering doing the same sort of thing.
 
On day one before taking the capsule I was nervous as I guess I was finally going to the darkside as it was.. and after taking it I felt weird. Soon after my nipples felt funny, I guess they tingled a little as another member mentioned on here. I was paranoid right away thinking blimey I cant be coming down with gyno already! Anyways the tingling went and only came again after taking the other capsules.
At the gym I felt no differently and went through as chest and tri session as normal.
 
Day2, was pretty much the same nipples tingled again after  taking the capsules and training which was back and bis was no different really.
 
Day3 is today. again no difference. Nipples tingled. Still paranoid about the gyno thing but hey thats life.. No training today. I have managed to hurt my knee and so at the moment im training just 3 times a week. Tommorow will be shoulders and traps.
 
Hope people enjoy reading and can offer me some advice!
 
Cheers,
 
Blake
 
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    Re:First cycle - epistane 11 February 2010 14:31 (permalink)
    Day4 being today..

    I have been taking cap as soon as I get up and then training a few hours later. Today I decided to take it just before training at 11.

    I trained shoulders and traps and to be honest still didnt feel any different in the gym. Was maybe a little bit more vascular. Did not notice nipples tingling so much today either.
    I have noticed though that since I have been using it when going to the toilet my stools have been a little darker and it have been a little constipated. Anyone else ever had any of these effects? Maybe im a little intolerant to the compound? Never taken anything else so cant compare.

    I was wondering what times people normally take a cap?
    I been doing it upon waking/working out if soon after waking. Second cap around 2-3pm and last one about 8-9pm.. wondering if the times make much difference due to the half life the compound has


     
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      Re:First cycle - epistane 11 February 2010 14:40 (permalink)
      Alright mate,

      I'm in a pretty similar situation to yourself, I'm on day 10 of my first epi cycle.  Going well so far, seems to be kicking in about now.

      Only sides i've had so far is feeling a bit lethargic sometimes...

      I take with breakfast, with lunch and pre training meal.
       
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        Re:First cycle - epistane 11 February 2010 14:43 (permalink)
        Cheers mate. None of this nipple tingles or anything? I get really paranoid every time it happens!
        Feels like I have had to much beta alanine or something as that did it to me aswell!
         
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          Re:First cycle - epistane 11 February 2010 16:34 (permalink)
          Nowt like that...

          I am a raging hypochondriac though so I can convince myself i'm dying if anything atall happens!
           
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            Re:First cycle - epistane 12 February 2010 07:44 (permalink)
            Well im going away for the weekend.. So no more training until monday.
            Its weird. I keep thinking my nipples feel funny/weird.. but when I touch them there is no pain or anything. Especially my left one.
            And when I wake up first thing in the morning there is nothing, and I only start feeling something again when I keep thinking about it. Am I just going mad or what? I already have 2 lumps from puberty, so its hard to tell and those lumps are not the small pea sized hard lumps people on here talk about. Techically if I got gyno again does it normally come as a hard lump? Or could it be soft?
             
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              Re:First cycle - epistane 12 February 2010 17:23 (permalink)
               have also noticed my skin has become redder and drier in patches. And I am supplementing with high strength cod liver oil caps and an oil blend to. Im wondering with all these symptoms whether im intollerant to epi...
               
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                Re:First cycle - epistane 12 February 2010 18:11 (permalink)
                Righty.. I have just checked my left nipple and its very tender and its hard to tell as already have gyno but feels as if its got bigger and slightly harder..
                I have nolva but not sure what to do? What dosage and for how long? Or can you run the nolva alongside the epistane (have read a few reviews online where people  have taken both to try and get rid of pre existing gyno) or is this just a stupid idea.
                I really thought out of all  the thing I could have take epi would not have given me any trouble..
                Any advice please guys im getting worried now!
                 
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                  Re:First cycle - epistane 13 February 2010 07:16 (permalink)
                  I have only experienced it once, about 4 weeks into my second Epi cycle & I must admit I played safe & started taking a low dose of Tamifoxen (10mg). I took it for 4 days, but it did work for me 'cos 24 hrs later it had gone and has not returned.
                  Oh and no evidence of Gyno :)

                   
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                    Re:First cycle - epistane 13 February 2010 09:31 (permalink)
                    Something like a low dose of Nolvadex (max 10mg) for a day or two, and see how your nipple feels mate.
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                      Re:First cycle - epistane 13 February 2010 12:32 (permalink)
                      Can this be run alongside the epi mate? and thanks for the reply!
                      I got in a bit of a panic last night and after doing some reading took 40mg as most people when doing a net search said take 60mg. Feel alot better today and tookthe epi this morning as normal, a little bit of nipple tingling but nothing major. Maybe run 10mg each night for a while?
                      Thanks again!
                       
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                        Re:First cycle - epistane 13 February 2010 16:35 (permalink)
                        yep, its fine to run alongsie Epi
                         
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                          Re:First cycle - epistane 14 February 2010 07:21 (permalink)
                          SOunds like ur just paranoid. The first few days on Epi i felt different but its more in ur head. I felt a few tingles on my nips for a few days in week one but its gone away. I didint feel any big difference in strength till after 2 weeks when I started taking my tren too. Everything sounds normal too me, I'm sure you knew the risks and sides of taking what your taking, if you don't then you should do some more research. Otherwise, everything sounds ok, just a bit paranoid if you ask me.
                           
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                            Re:First cycle - epistane 14 February 2010 07:28 (permalink)
                            also, if this is ur first time taking a Prohormone why not start taking the minimum and build up? say 20/20/30/30/30/30 or 20/20/30/30/40/40
                             
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                              Re:First cycle - epistane 14 February 2010 20:42 (permalink)
                              Thanks for replys. I did plenty of research into it before hand. But when your doing it and you get those strange feelings having never done a cycle before I began to worry. The pain has subsided now anyways and just got the funny tingling feeling again in my nipples. Lets hope it stays that way!
                               
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                                Re:First cycle - epistane 14 February 2010 21:30 (permalink)
                                I've run 2 cycles of Epi and not had any sides except for terrible shin splints, (even from walking).  I've always been prone to shin splints, but it got to the point where I would have to stop for breaks every 5 minutes when walking.  Taurine didn't help at all.  Eventually I ended up buying a bike, this solved my problem.
                                Only got tired after the cycle ended but that was probably because of the clomid.
                                 
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                                  Re:First cycle - epistane 15 February 2010 01:38 (permalink)
                                  Did you get any joint paint or anything like that? I hear it can be quite harsh on the joints and I want to keep playing footy while taking it.
                                   
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                                    Re:First cycle - epistane 15 February 2010 05:24 (permalink)
                                    nope, but if you do start to get shin splints, take 4 taurine a day and rest them as much as possible, if that doesn't help they will only get worse and worse from my experience.  Like I said I am predisposed to these, it doesn't happen to everyone.
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                                      Re:First cycle - epistane 15 February 2010 15:18 (permalink)
                                      I always get shin splints. I find the heavier I am the worse they are to and as I cut up they ease off. I have them at moment but manageable.
                                      I went to gym today and did some plyometrics and a chest and tricep session.
                                      I noticed that my calfs after doing burn outs and 1 leg calf raises were totally pumped!
                                      After my workout today I felt pumped up and more vascular to. No strength gains or anything though.

                                      Nipples have been giving me no problems. Felt a little itchy when I first got to gym but soon vanishied.
                                      I defo have a small hard lump under my left nipple though and have been taking 10mg of nolva before bed just hope it does not get any bigger. I dont think its to noticeable though as I already have gyno from puberty anyways. Maybe when I lose a little more fat around my chest area it might show a little though.. guess im about 15% bf at the moment.
                                       
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                                        Re:First cycle - epistane 15 February 2010 20:34 (permalink)
                                        Will nolva be ok to run during the cycle for next few weeks if done in small doses?
                                         
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