First 'real' cycle (Test E) coming to an end... Want to cry!! Need some guidance....

Ok guys just wana say thanks again for all your help you've inputted over the last few months.
Just ran 12 weeks of test E 600mg a week with 50mg dbol for the first 4 weeks. Gained just over a stone but now im in week 14 (2weeks since last jab :( ) some water has started to leak out so my abs are lookin pretty good :) and Im still a solid 12 lbs up in gains!!
ate and trained like a beast and it payed off! Lifts have been awsome and so have the compliments in the gym which is always a little boost if we're honest.
 
I know I really should come off for the time I had on (12 weeks) but Im honestly am not confident I can, Im hooked like a crack addict, I even miss jabbing!!
 
I have clomid/nolva/tribulas/OTC pct which I'll start in the next couple of days. My source wants to give me some hcg and rekons i'll be good to go again in another 6 weeks (He's know how bad I want to get back on).
What do we think guys? is curising/blasting an option? I know nothing about this and cant find alot to read on it if im honest.
 
I cant stop thinking about my next cycle, Dependant on what you guys think it'll be test an decca or test and a low dose of tren maybe?
 
You time is appriciated so much, thanks again
 

Chill Winston!
 
Finish your PCT, take a break for 6 weeks and see how your feeling. If your feeling ready, then do another Test E 500mg for 12 weeks. Its the way forward!

6 weeks may not be long enough, I really wouldn't blast and cruise after your first cycle, just have the mental fortitude to get over the pct and enjoy training.

You will have better gains in the long run if you do it properly rather than never coming off.

Minger

You speak to most docs and they say this is the reason steriods are so dangerous the feeling of euphoria, you need to come off to feel what its like to be clean. I personally find it hard but worth while. Sticking to training and diet when you really dont want to gets you in a good frame of mind

so without hijacking this thread, over in the prohormone camp they suggest time off = time on + pct so a 6wk cycle with 4wk pct would be 10wks off
 
is this the same with aas? 10wk cycle 2wks then 3wk pct = 15wks off?
 
which means 3 cycles per year approx - is that correct?

yeah thats right, this doesnt mean your body is back to normal PCT only gives you a helping hand, i finished my cycle in September and only after the last blood test last week ! was my test back to normal 5 months after my cycle ended.

If you run a proper PCT, you should be fully back to normal as soon as it ends (as many guys are and prove time and again). How long you take off after completing PCT is purely a personal issue, there are no rules on it. Obviously the longer the break, the more beneficial healthwise in the long term but there is no set or required pattern of time.
 
Bigfella.

BTW your source is a bit late offering HCG as you have finished the cycle it is too late to run it now really for any benefit. HCG is only required to repair shrunken testes and needs to be run during the cycle before PCT begins mate.
 
Bigfella.

For a 1st injectible, a descent PCT will fix things fine won't it mate? The testes I mean?

I would jump back on cycle:)  (runs for cover)

cwire


yeah thats right, this doesnt mean your body is back to normal PCT only gives you a helping hand, i finished my cycle in September and only after the last blood test last week ! was my test back to normal 5 months after my cycle ended.

interesting, i'm trying to find somewhere to get private bloods done at the moment as i blast and cruised for 10months last year, however...... i ran a Taper PCT advised by bigfella, i done some more research and made sense, finished injections, ran orals for 30days before taper PCT, discontinued orals and all androgens, then started primo at 100mg a week tapering down for 8weeks till i was on 25mg a week, running aromisin alongside and introduced nolva near the end and carried on after taper. That was 2months ago, i have lost 2-4lbs Max, strength is still there, maybe down a rep or two, libido dropped but its back to normal now. Over all i feel recovered and good to go, but better to be safe than sorry, so i'll get bloods done to confirm my findings and i'll post on here. 
Even though i was on for such a long time, i've never recovered so quick and felt so good through and after PCT, oh yeah and i ran 1500iu HCG week 1-4 of taper discontinuing before i dropped all anabolics, running during your the time your wanting your own levels to rise can surpress HPTA recovery, which is counter productive. 
 

Enigma are you running hgh during your pct?

The age old problem, come off or stay on????????? oh sweet dilema.
 
IMO gotta come off to allow receptors to normalise or you will end up doing heavier and heavier cycles using higher dosages to achive the same/less results.

I felt the saem when i was coming to the end of mine a couple of weeks ago.
 
I am on week one of my PCT and have lost alot of the water and am looking pretty damn good i must say although i do miss some of the bulk i had but im still getting compliments, especially from my new misses :D
 
I am worried though that i feel like im losing alot of the muscle i made but im sure it is just water retention as im looking alot leaner now.
 
I ran HCG for the last 2 weeks running up to my PCT and am now on clomid and nolva and the old boy and ammo bag is all working great and back to normal size already AND im still getting strength gains in the gym.
 
I would listen to what most people have said and come off, run your PCT and go back on when you feel as if you are ready. Im glad I am off although i do miss it i feel back top myself but am looking forward to my next cycle.

MRENIGMA

cwire


yeah thats right, this doesnt mean your body is back to normal PCT only gives you a helping hand, i finished my cycle in September and only after the last blood test last week ! was my test back to normal 5 months after my cycle ended.

interesting, i'm trying to find somewhere to get private bloods done at the moment as i blast and cruised for 10months last year, however...... i ran a Taper PCT advised by bigfella, i done some more research and made sense, finished injections, ran orals for 30days before taper PCT, discontinued orals and all androgens, then started primo at 100mg a week tapering down for 8weeks till i was on 25mg a week, running aromisin alongside and introduced nolva near the end and carried on after taper. That was 2months ago, i have lost 2-4lbs Max, strength is still there, maybe down a rep or two, libido dropped but its back to normal now. Over all i feel recovered and good to go, but better to be safe than sorry, so i'll get bloods done to confirm my findings and i'll post on here. 
Even though i was on for such a long time, i've never recovered so quick and felt so good through and after PCT, oh yeah and i ran 1500iu HCG week 1-4 of taper discontinuing before i dropped all anabolics, running during your the time your wanting your own levels to rise can surpress HPTA recovery, which is counter productive. 

But you know how it goes eh mate.... you come off feeling fantastic for the first time in many a cycle, and when you jump back on you end up buggering yourself up healthwise. Its the classic trick.... stupid body chemistry always playing games!

^^^^^ Hence having bloods done to avoid jumping on to early, measure twice cut once and all that.
 
Minger - yeah 5iu EOD, i could tell it was working by tell tale signs, but nothing to report of in way off muscle gain, bodyfat change, if anything i held a bit off water, but i have tried it now, and can confirm, 5iu ED is the min from now on.
 
talking now with "private medical practise" they are in Cardiff, they contacted me next day via email to arrange appointment, still haven't mentioned price yet tho.....Gulp.
 
Tried "doctorltd" but it sounds shady, go down, get bloods, then set up a paypal payment, once they receive payment, they will then send results? not quite the personal touch you would like if your paying, worse than the NHS.
 
Also tried "medicheck" they was even worse, buy a testing kit online, they send you it and arrange a visit to a local surgery which do the blood test for them, then you send your blood to them and they send results, dont like the sound of that either.
 

Have bloods, pay via Paypal, then get the results? That sounds well sus to me! If it was pay first, thats one thing. But whats to gain by them using resources and you then saying "Nah actually Im ok"... they'd loose out a lot.

Ronin73


The age old problem, come off or stay on????????? oh sweet dilema.

IMO gotta come off to allow receptors to normalise or you will end up doing heavier and heavier cycles using higher dosages to achive the same/less results.

Hi mate, comming off cycle isn't about allowing receptors to clear or normalise, the Androgen Receptor (primary target for your AAS) has a half-life and is actually renewed over and over each day on a continual basis, so you always have brand new fresh receptors available.
The reason for coming off, is that all the time we are administering high levels of exogenous hormone, our body naturally attempts to return to homeostasis by increasing catabolic hormones to balance the situation, as it nears completing this task, this is where we see the gains die off and slow or stop. We come off to allow things to return to normal values ASAP, before starting over again by re-rasing our Anabolic/Androgen hormone levels with additional exogenous admin on the next cycle which creates a fresh growth environment.
 
Hope that helps................
 
Bigfella.

^^^^ Whats your theorys on frank n steroids approach to cycles Bigfella, i read he believes in 30day high androgens then stop before the body begins to combat the balance as you say with catabolic hormone, stopping gains. This way you avoid going catabloic making it easier to hold muscle once discontinue of the androgens, tapering off maybe on a mild anabolic?
i was thinking of something like this to apply theory;
 
30days
150mg Prop EOD
100mg Primo EOD
50mg Oxy EOD
 
14days
100mg Primo EOD
 
21day PCT 
 
Sorry to hijack OP. What do you think bigfella? 

I think it is a great approach and makes total sense, although it will only suit those extremely dedicated who can work out that hard and intense during the very short periods on cycle.
Many people just couldn't do it justice and hence follow either standard cycling protocols or variants such as blast/cruise which loosely achieve similar during the cruise periods.
 
I know you are very dedicated mate so would really like to hear how you find it for you if you dio give it a go. I have made good progress myself and with others using similar cycles.
 
Bigfella.