Formula 1 2009 season

I don't get it! What exactly is he supposed to of done?

dazc


how do you know they didnt lie?  the actual interviews after the race and this week etc with the teams/drivers havent been made public, so noone knows for sure what they actually said.

all we know is that they have been punished for misleading the fia.

Right so when the race was taking place and trulli took his place back and all that happinned in front of everyone, did nobody kinda say...erm...that shouldnt have happinned, im no clear what they are being DONE for?

Do we really htink McClaren would have chanced losing all of what they got on Sunday for a place when they started 18th?

And as far as i can read the FIA havent done anything, its the race stewards how took this action...tho the FIA put it into action obviously.

Okay more reading done, so its not the action its what was said between the team is the problem, and that Hamilton was told to slow to let Trulli past?.

cu3ed



Okay more reading done, so its not the action its what was said between the team is the problem, and that Hamilton was told to slow to let Trulli past?.

yes mate, trulli was punished for overtaking under the safety car, but then it later came out that actually hamilton was told to slow untill trulli passed him, im not quite sure why they gave him this order TBH but esentially what the fia are saying is that had they known this they wouldnt have punished trulli for it in the first place, so the ruling against trulli was overturned.  Hamilton was then punished as when they originally looked into trulli overtaking, hamilton and the team havent been truthfull about their actions during the race. 

taken from itv-f1.com

The FIA has published the key evidence that led to Lewis Hamilton’s disqualification from the Australian Grand Prix – including audio recordings that reveal he was instructed to let Jarno Trulli pass him.
Trulli was penalised after the race for illegally overtaking Hamilton under safety car conditions, but the stewards rescinded that penalty when they reconvened in Malaysia on Thursday after finding that Hamilton had allowed the Toyota driver past.
The stewards excluded Hamilton from the results on the basis that he and McLaren had given them a “deliberately misleading” account of events.
McLaren subsequently apologised for the confusion it had caused but stressed that it had not intentionally misled the stewards.
The team said it had not mentioned its radio exchanges with Hamilton at the post-race hearing in the mistaken belief that the FIA had already reviewed them.
However, the latest statement published by the FIA summarising the stewards’ reasons disputes that explanation.
It says Hamilton and McLaren team manager Dave Ryan explicitly denied that any instruction was given to let Trulli past.
The recording of the radio transmissions reveals that Hamilton was told to cede the place back to Trulli and quickly responded to the instruction – although McLaren continued to seek clarification of the situation from FIA race director Charlie Whiting and Hamilton asked whether he would be able to repass the Toyota.
A second audio recording confirms that Hamilton told journalists immediately after the race – before the stewards’ meeting – that he had been told to let Trulli through.

This has the audio clips on that prove Hamilton and Mclaren mislead (lied) to the fia.


[link=http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/f1releases/2009/Pages/f1_stewards_decision.aspx]http://www.fia.com/en-G...1_stewards_decision.aspx

Here is my uderstanding....
Trulli was 3rd, Hamilton was 4th, the safety car came out.
Hamilton overtokk Trulli straight away and this went un-noticed as a safety car overtaking infringement.
Mclaren sussed this and ordered Hamilton to slow and let Trulli pass (rightly so).
Trulli retakes 3rd, Haliton is in 4th.
End of race the officials punish Trulli for overtaking Hamilton during a safety car, when infact he was only taking back the place Hamilton stole of him.
Hamilton then given 3rd and Mclaren didnt say anything about them ordering Hamilton to let him past so he himself didnt get a penalty. Because Mclaren took the 3rd place and did not say about the whole safety car issue (which was their fault 100%), they have now been punished accordingly. Rightly so imo, if im reading it right...

Mclaren havent argued about the decision because they know they were in the wrong. Yes, the stewards should have listened to the radio transmissions straight away but at the end ofnthe day, justice was done...

Have i got the right end of the stick here then?

2nd pratice for Malaysia, Kimi is fastest and Button is 7th....????

As far as I know the rules say if a car goes off the track under the SC you can "overtake" it. Lewis knew this and there was some discussion and confusion when he was ordered to let him through. It was a legal move, and it was only what happened afterwards in Trulli's investigation that has them in trouble.

Thats the thing Lewis was just hllding his position, and Trulli went off the track (Lewis didnt stael anything), in the new rules if that happins he obviously has to over take but can take the position, the confustion again seems to be with the rules, as this year of that happinned it was ok to take the place, Lewis siad he didnt have to give the place back, which is how Trulli got penilised in the first place, but over the McClaren radio'd to tell him he had to give his place back.

hamiltons been fined for speeding in the pit lane during practice for this weekend too.

it does seem like they are out to get him and or mclaren. if i were them i'd pull out of f1

glad to hear all this news, i hate hamilton. I hope Button destroys him again at Malaysia

McClaren wont leave, they have to much to prove

Its seem to be getting ridiculous now against McClaren.

All tho years we put up with Shuys BS on the track, massa last year getting away with alot, Barracello not being oeniliased for the Aus opening........

Still wont phase the team, to many races to go, I still think Hamilton will only bounce back like he did before.

Look at it this way, for Jensen it was abit of a fluke, but his team dont have the money to sustain the development to keep winning, id be surprised if they did.

So Ferrari got nothing on the weekend either, so McClaren are really only starting one race down, they wouldnt really be worried.

Also, isnt it noted in most reports that McClaren asked the stewards if they where right in what they did and they said yes to proceed with their actions, then that turned out to be wrong FFS.

jacked_fibres


glad to hear all this news, i hate hamilton. I hope Button destroys him again at Malaysia

Why would you be happy, its clear again that the FIA and the Stewards still dotn have a grasp of their own rules, this and the whole rear dufser debacle is still going on.

Take it you all know Mclaren have suspended Dave Ryan and you've heard Lewis' press conference?

Nope lol.

Dave Ryan instructed Lewis to 'withold info' so he has been suspended by the team. Lewis has had a 'fess up conference explaining what exactly happened, what he was asked to do (and did) and apologising for his actions.

Now I didn't think the FIA would take further action, and as Mclaren have acted I don't think they should. However, I have a gut feeling that as Mclaren are now showing signs of making the right steps to improve the car that there will be further action taken.....

dirtyvest
Now I didn't think the FIA would take further action, and as Mclaren have acted I don't think they should. However, I have a gut feeling that as Mclaren are now showing signs of making the right steps to improve the car that there will be further action taken.....

Nah, not just yet as they are nowhere near as fast as Ferrari yet.

i feel abit sorry for hamilton being paraded infront of the cameras to say sorry...........then again for the £10 million odd a year that hes on i'd be willing to suck them all off : )

It's hard to feel sorry for the trials and tribulations of anyone who earns that sort of cash but he's still young, been 'groomed' by his team and will be under pressure from them to do right by them so I can see where he's coming from really and I don't think he's a 'wrong sort' at all.

Certainly can't be easy but as said, for £10m it's not expected to be

for people suggesting that its mclaren bashing, or that they are somehow being penalised more than others, i simply dont think thats true.

The punishment is about the team (under the control of its race director, who has now been suspended) lying to and deliberately misleading the Fia and race officials.

You have to expect some pretty severe punishment when you do that kind of thing.

Whoever suggested they should pull out of F1, thats ridiculous.  Its one race at the moment they are down.  No different to if hamilton had crashed, or they had suffered a breakdown.  there is still everything to play for, and the season is as much anyones as it was before last weekend.  especially given that alot of them were still getting to grips with the cars.

dazc


for people suggesting that its mclaren bashing, or that they are somehow being penalised more than others, i simply dont think thats true.

The punishment is about the team (under the control of its race director, who has now been suspended) lying to and deliberately misleading the Fia and race officials.

You have to expect some pretty severe punishment when you do that kind of thing.

Whoever suggested they should pull out of F1, thats ridiculous.  Its one race at the moment they are down.  No different to if hamilton had crashed, or they had suffered a breakdown.  there is still everything to play for, and the season is as much anyones as it was before last weekend.  especially given that alot of them were still getting to grips with the cars.

and what about last season. they are always being treated unfairly and ferrari have always got better treatment.

i remember seeing a belgian journalist moaning to ecclestone about the FIA standing for Ferrari International Assistance.

schumacher got away with plenty in his day too