HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===---

ok guys 1st a quick hello!
Background to this thread is this, 1year ago i was in thailand doing a fairly heavy cycle. 
(1750mg sus weekly , 750mg deca weekly , 5iu gh daily) 
and late into the cycle i started to experience heart palpitations and dizziness, went to the docs and they gave me some hypertention tabs and told me come off the gear and not long after that i was back to normal (1 week or so)

after a long lay off from gear and gym....10months i decided it was time to dabble again and see how i go..
i started off with (100mg tren eod and 200mg of test prop eod and 3 provirons daily) 
now for 8 weeks i was great..great gains...body fat dropped, had the old me back. 
BUT i went to thailand again...switched my intake to 500mg sus weekly and 200mg deca weekly with 3 provirons daily....and 2 weeks in started gettin dizzy and then then palpitations came back...along with high blood pressure, AGAIN i come off the gear and the symtoms have gone.


Has this happened to any of you out there? my blood pressure is usually 120/50-60 and it went up to 159/90.
I've done my fair share of cycles but im no genius and have no real idea why this is happening to me
is it my heart saying thats enough (tests have shown my heart to be fine) or is it a side effect from the gear ive never experienced till these last 2 cycles?

im spooked by it, but i would like to work around it if possible
so if anyone else out there has had anything similer happen please let me kno

doctors here in australia have NO clue when it comes to gear so i cant seek advice at all so im turning to my fellow users in hope to find some answers.

please feel free to reply with anything that maybe usefull

you need to run a stronger AI like letro, prov wont do anything for you.

It could be the high blood pressure but i wouldnt recommend doing the doses you took in your 1st cycle, certainly cant be good for you mate.

yes i kno i screwed up 1st time round but being in thailand and having access to anything like a kid in a candy store led me to that cycle lol not the smartest thing ive done.

2nd cycle that i experienced this was very mild compared to the first, im trying to work out wether it could be the types of gear used..the time i was on....the climate....or just my body in general.

im hoping someone out there knows what it could be
and could possibly tell me if i can cycle again and if so whats best for me

two comments mate, firstly a roper AI and proper dose would be what I'd try, eg aromasin or adex. I find aromasin at 12.mg e/d is fine kepoing bloat and related sides away.

If this doesn't work I'd change gear, simply put mate sust and deca have caused you problems tice, once at a high dose, the other at a moderate dose therefore I wouldn't use them together, deca is known for bloat so why not run test n tren or test and mast etc?

plently other meds other than deca, hoever if the culprate is estrogen and bloat then up the water intake and try an AI, prov did nowt for me other than libido and mood wereas 12.5mg of aromasin is a godsend

hope this helps mate

i failed to mention i was running nolva soon as i felt sensitivity in the chest this time round nolva 1 day 1 arimidex eod, but can eostrogen cause the blood pressure and sides that i was getting? 

has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

The last thing you want to do is use nolva with deca.

excuse my ignorance but may i ask why?
i was always a fan or arimidex but in thailand it costs a heap so was forced to use nolva

Water retention can cause blood pressure or rise. Test/deca can both cause water retention. Tren does not. I'm guessing your sust/deca cycles were bulking cycles and the tren more of a cutter? This would indicate diet also has something to do with it.

M_3174


excuse my ignorance but may i ask why?
i was always a fan or arimidex but in thailand it costs a heap so was forced to use nolva

Well it wont reduce water retention for a start as it has no control over the amount of estrogen in the body. Secondly if you were to develop estrogen related gyno the nolva is a fine choice, but if your running a 19nor compound like tren or deca and develop gyno, well then it may be progesterone related and so will of be no benefit and may make it worse.

Anything which causes a heart arrhythmia should be considered dangerous. In all honesty, you should probably never use steroids ever again.

Since that isn't likely, I would recommend at the least to avoid strong androgens. This is not just about water retention raising BP. Steroids like Tren are notorious for raising BP, and I would speculate have more impact on causing your 'palpitations' than less androgenic steroids.

Next up, you may need to consider a drug to control your raised BP while on cycle. This might be something like an ARB (eg Losartan); old school bbers used to use Clonidine (catapres) for the same purpose (and trying to boost GH). This is something you'd be best served talking to your GP about, rather than simply self-administering.

In terms of arrhythmias, the drug of choice is usually Flecainide, but again, it's not something you should just self-administer, particularly as it does have sides and some interactions.

teapot


if your running a 19nor compound like tren or deca and develop gyno, well then it may be progesterone related and so will of be no benefit and may make it worse.

Tamoxifen and raloxifene are still the only two drugs that successfully control my PROGESTERONE (19nor based) gyno.

MrBigorexia

teapot


if your running a 19nor compound like tren or deca and develop gyno, well then it may be progesterone related and so will of be no benefit and may make it worse.

Tamoxifen and raloxifene are still the only two drugs that successfully control my PROGESTERONE (19nor based) gyno.

Whilst you are running a 19nor compound? Or afterwards?

Yes, while running the compound. And in the absence of aromatisable gear. And many weeks after my own HPTA has shut down.

M_3174



has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

 
man i got heart pulpatitions on anabol .My diet was really bad and was only drinking about 1.5 litre max a day
i have 12 weeks of test with adex and nolva for pct but im in 2 minds to take it as ive been getting some pulpatitions lately and it has me thinking that ill die or something simular

ibrox lad

M_3174



has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

 
man i got heart pulpatitions on anabol .My diet was really bad and was only drinking about 1.5 litre max a day
i have 12 weeks of test with adex and nolva for pct but im in 2 minds to take it as ive been getting some pulpatitions lately and it has me thinking that ill die or something simular

Im feelin very much the same, overseas my water intake was about 2litres a day and in that heat should probably be alot more... I told myself i'd never take gear again but then i figured i would throw out a few question on the boards to see if anyone else has experienced sides like mine and what they did to avoid them and continue using gear.
im determined to try and find out what exactly is causing my problems and if its just my body then im more than willing to wlak away from gear forever, but the fact that the problems go away a few weeks after ive finished cycle point at gear,, wether it be water...or eastrogen i dont know and hoping someone who has had similer experiences and worked thru it can help

For a start, 2 litres isn't enough - more like 5-6 at least.  Drink, drink, drink.

Anyhoo, as said i'd personally avoid anything that heavily increases BP.  This inludes the likes of tren and drol and to a less extent, dbol.

Safer meds would be:

Var
Primo
Low dose test
Tbol
Winny

Probably not what you want to hear but deca can increase BP and tren certainly does in most people.  Also higher dose test cycles will do a similar job as tren increasing BP.

End of the day, AAS is great for muscle, but who gives a f/_/ck if you only get a good looking corpse?

Papa Lazarou


For a start, 2 litres isn't enough - more like 5-6 at least.  Drink, drink, drink.

Anyhoo, as said i'd personally avoid anything that heavily increases BP.  This inludes the likes of tren and drol and to a less extent, dbol.

Safer meds would be:

Var
Primo
Low dose test
Tbol
Winny

Probably not what you want to hear but deca can increase BP and tren certainly does in most people.  Also higher dose test cycles will do a similar job as tren increasing BP.

End of the day, AAS is great for muscle, but who gives a f/_/ck if you only get a good looking corpse?

thanks for your post dude, i hear ya when you say gears not worth dying for but i gues im still in denial that this might be a bad episode, and that its only the "type" of gear used at the time.

if i were to try something again, would you give thumbs up to 200mg test prop eod and 200mg primo eod? (while running letro @ 1mg daily and drinking a truck load of water)

#1, consult a physician. Seriously. For all you know, you could have a valve problem or something else. Steroids do enlarge the heart (it's a muscle). At the very least you should consider using a mild dose of blood pressure medication, like micardis.

ibrox lad

M_3174



has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

 
man i got heart pulpatitions on anadrol .My diet was really bad and was only drinking about 1.5 litre max a day
i have 12 weeks of test with adex and nolva for pct but im in 2 minds to take it as ive been getting some pulpatitions lately and it has me thinking that ill die or something simular

 
(had to edit as it was anadrol)