Haye vs Valuev

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Boxing is the art of hitting while not being hit......end of.

True, if haye deserved that victory, then andre dirrell deserved to win against froch!

There is a massive difference between those performances. Haye was relaxed, composed and polished. Dirrell was a shambles at times. You can not compare the two.

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Boxing is the art of hitting while not being hit......end of.

True, if haye deserved that victory, then andre dirrell deserved to win against froch!

There is a massive difference between those performances. Haye was relaxed, composed and polished. Dirrell was a shambles at times. You can not compare the two.

I think you can! Haye spent much of the fight dodging his oponent, the amount of shots he actually landed was very little.

How many shots did dirrell land on froch? Plenty and froch couldnt do a thing, if dirrells performance was a shambles, what would you call carl froch's? If haye deserved that win then so did dirrell

Dirrell was not as composed as Haye. At times he was all over the place.

Valuev landed nothing of note, whereas the Froch fight was closer because both fighters were below par/standard.

Haye produced a genuine top class performance. He was fighting someone 7 stone heavier and a foot taller with a much longer reach. The fact he wasnt hurt or troubled at any stage of the 12 rounds underlines his quality aswell as Valuevs lack of.

i was massively impressed by the fact he managed t rock valuev as well... seeing a 7'2 mans legs wobbble and go t jelly briefly was worth watchin the 12 rounds...
clever fight from haye, many would have strayed from a strict fight plan as his was but he stuck with it as he knew it would win him the fight!
hope he does a number on both Klitchkos now.. we'll

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i was massively impressed by the fact he managed t rock valuev as well... seeing a 7'2 mans legs wobbble and go t jelly briefly was worth watchin the 12 rounds...
clever fight from haye, many would have strayed from a strict fight plan

 
TBH mate I thought his fight plan was to KO him in a brutal and quick fashion?
 
He won the fight by picking off points and keeping out of the way. Great performance? Depends on if your an Haye fan or not.
 

 

he said what his fight plan was in the press conference a few days after.. and he basically said as i said then.. that he stuck to it and picked his opportunities t throw punches.

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LOL

Isn't that what most good fighters do,stay clear of the punches?

The one guy I love watching make people miss is Mayweather and Haye did an excellent job against Valuev.

Had Haye not injured his hand early on, I reckon he could have KO'd Valuev as he had him wobbling in the 12th and if he had connected when the giant was wobbling I have no doubts he would have went down.

Reflecting on the fight, it was by no means a classic but Haye did the job and as MRM says seeing the giant wobbling was worth the watch.

I was absolutely LMFAO when he was wobbling.

And tbf to Haye I see him live on GMTV and sky sports news,and it was clear from the sky sports news cameras that his right hand was almost double the size of his left.

Haye did the job and got the convincing win and it's the best thing to happen to the heavyweight division for a long time.

Now to take out the Klitchsko brothers one by one

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i think maybe u do need t watch it without the drink.

FLMAO

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

How serious is this supposed hand injury, does anyone know?

If it's bad then that's terrible news for his career

If I remember correctly he said he has had a similar problem with the hand in the past.

I do not know whether or not it was broke but it was certainly swollen up,he didn't mention nothing about it ruining his career.

And I wouldn't have thought he would tbh.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

pretty sure ive seen him mention it was broken.. but then that mjight just be me mixin up what the papers have said, with what he actually said :-(??

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Just watched the clips I could find on the internet and it does look swollen but nothing terrible

Not good for someone who relies on big punching to break their hand so soon after moving up though. He's not going to be able to pitter patter his way to victory ala Calzaghe. Guess we have to hope his hands are durable enough for the higher weight class and there are no further injuries. The more you break your hands, the more they break and all....

Be interested to hear more about this though

To be fair, he did break it against a prehistoric skull.

as above, he said punchin valuev's jaw was like punchin someone on the top of their head!!
imagine how dense valuev's bones would have been, especially in the skull/ jaw area... said he caught him real crisp but felt like stone when he hit hm :-(

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I think it's fully understandable.

It was funny because Haye said exactly as I said during the fight.

I was saying to my friends it's like his hitting a brickwall,the giant hardly moves,when he hits him.

Haye said exactly that.

If you love something let it go,if it comes back to you it's yours,if it doesn't it never was.

I watched the fight too,i saw haye run away all of the fight to stay out of trouble(imo he knows his chin isnt good and would have been kod if he had fought)
Valuev came forward to bring the fight to haye but haye didnt want to mix it,all he wanted to do was run,
Now imo thats not the point of boxing at all,anyone can run away, valuev should have won that fight and i think he was robbed  because of the money involved with haye.
A very poor performance for a heavyweight title by both boxers but haye was particularly crap truth be told.
Valuev was his chance to frighten the other heavyweights imo they will be lining up to fight him now.he wont have that title for very long.

out of the darkness and into the light,thats why im still here and willing to fight!

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To be fair, he did break it against a prehistoric skull.

Truem but haye if any good at heavyweight should have knocked him out why couldnt he?
 
Valuev was:
overweight
slow
Why then did haye not finish him? could it be because he was too busy running imo yes.

out of the darkness and into the light,thats why im still here and willing to fight!

Perhaps.

Or perhaps Valuev has a solid beard?

lol.
Maybe i expect too  much from boxing im unsure tbh
Im from the era of ali/frazier/norton  etc etc etc different class or breed from todays bunch.
The days when boxers wanted the title more than the money.

out of the darkness and into the light,thats why im still here and willing to fight!

Even someone like Norton would clean up the division without breaking sweat.

Bruno would be a top 5 HW nowadays.