H-droll for 1st cycle..

Hey,
 
I have been training for around 4 years now, I started off at around 9.5stone.
I'm now 26, 5,11", 12.9st,and around 14% B/Fat. I would consider myself in good shape.
 
I always ensure my form is correct when lifting & mix up my routine every couple of months,
usually I do a 3/4 day split.
I bench 120kg & curl 45kg on the ez bar, Whilst i am not dissapointed with my gains over the yrs, i now want to seriously step it up & add more size. I have only ever used reflex protien as a supp.
 
I am now taking mutant mass & met rx pure creatine caps (6 a day, 3 before & 3 after workout)
My diet is clean but i know i do not eat enough to add serious bulk- my job are funny about eating at desks & i only get a half hour break a day to eat. (harsh i know!)
 
I have many times considered a course & have friends who cycle juice often, however I want to try all alternatives before making that call,
 
can anyone recomend any decent supps that actually work from experience??
 
i'm thinking of trying this:
http://www.buysupps.com/products/H%252dDrol-Cycle-Pack.html
 
The internet is a mine field & I want advice from real people not what the manufacturers claim their products do.
 
many thanks

You could use Hdrol w/ the organ shield , however Cycle assist is a more complete on cycle supporting supp product where Organ shield is for year round. For PCT you need a natty test booster and an AI,...or SERM if u choose

I would recommend the cycle you posted up, although I would personally use 75mg (2 bottles) of H-Drol over 6 weeks instead of 50mg over 4.

Thanks,

Is there everything i need in that package? All i need for PCT?
Can i expect any side effects i.e spots & hairloss & will my liver take a beating from these?

Yes everything is in that package. The only thing I would do is look for one that has 2 bottles of H-Drol as this would enable you to run the cycle at 75mg for 6 weeks.
Liver will not take a beating as H-Drol is mild and you have the cycle support. Headaches (first week) and pumps are the most common sides with H-Drol.

Cheers Guys,

I am thinking of doing 6 weeks on h-droll as follows:
50/50/75/75/75/75
combined with CEL Cycle Assist  
 
PCT: either, Purus Labs: Recycle or Gaspari: Novedex-XT,- which one is better?
 
Would i be better off replacing the above for Nolva & Clomid?(i can get from a source) ( Is there need for these 2 after a h-drol cycle?)
And do i continue to take the CEL Cycle Assist during PCT?
I want to know exactly i need to take during the cycle for protection & if the Gaspari: Novedex-XT or Nolva alone is enough PCT
is enough for pct 
 
Any feedback welcome & apreciated
cheers

I would say Novadex XT and Recycle are both good!
If you can get a SERM then I would get one, I would just get Nolva, not both.
Yes continue to take Cycle Assist or any other protection for as long as you can.
As said, if you can get Nolva I would get it, otherwise stick to one of the OTC PCT's and you will be fine.

Have a good cycle!

Thanks,
 
I think i will use cycle assist during & after cycle.
 
What dosage of Nolva would you recomend after a 6 week H-drol course?

Hi mate,

20mg PD for 2 weeks, then 10mg PD for 2 weeks is the norm.

Thanks i will keep a diary posted with results, 
  
 
I am also assuming i can continue creatine throughout?
 
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For nolva:

40mg for 10 days then 20mg for 11 days

Or, 20mg for 21-30 days

Out of recyle or novedex: I would go with the latter

Daari


For nolva:

40mg for 10 days then 20mg for 11 days

Or, 20mg for 21-30 days

Out of recyle or novedex: I would go with the latter

Thanks,
u think that 40mg for 10 days then 20mg for 11 days 
 is better than 20mg PD for 2 weeks, then 10mg PD for 2 weeks?

Both are good. I recommended 20/20/10/10 because that is what I and many others have used with good results!

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Both are good. I recommended 20/20/10/10 because that is what I and many others have used with good results!

cheers, so both are good recomendations?
is there any advantage to taking 40 for the 1st 10 days?

that's when you're the most 'shut down' and have the highest levels of oestrogen and the lowest levels of testosterone

Thanks,
Is there any danger of taking too much nolva? i am assuming 40mg for 10 days is safe?

many people use 40mg of nolva for the first 1-2 weeks of PCT (some even use 60mg).  With any medication there are risks involved, but these are isolated incidences really.

Hi

I'm also starting my first cycle next week and am running H-drol (already preloaded on cycle assist) - for pct - I have 21 days supply of 20mg nolva - is that adequate or should I add something else and a test booster for an additional 7 days? (Will also be taking creatine during pct)?

21 days of 20mg nolva may suffice.  if using 65mg for 6 weeks - I Would add an Aromatase inhibitor (ATD, 6-bromo) as well

I'm going to run 50/75/75/75/75