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RE: Human Growth Hormone 08 April 2007 13:34 (permalink)
pb

does this cycle look ok for the summer

ive done 3 or 4 various test/deca cycles in the past 2 and half years

4 iu ed gh (for three month)

500 test (10 weeks)

500 deca (10 weeks)

and equpoise for the last 5 weeks

was looking for the first 10 weeks to bulk up

then the equpoise and remaining gh once the deca/test stops to help me cut in a litte

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    RE: Human Growth Hormone 09 April 2007 08:21 (permalink)


    ORIGINAL: reg1

    what would be the minimum ammount to invest in in 1 go? was just thinking that if u could not afford a large ammont then i could do it in stages over a year or something. IE could 100iu be ok for now then another 100 in 4-6 months???


    tbh you need 4 mnths+ for results.

     

     
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      RE: Human Growth Hormone 09 April 2007 08:24 (permalink)
      I would forget GH tbh as a "cutting med". It just doesn't happen to a degree that ppl think. Unless you're already sub 10 or 11% wanting to dial in the last 3 or 4%, I'd just stick to good ole diet, cardio, ECA.

       

       
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        RE: Human Growth Hormone 09 April 2007 17:55 (permalink)


        ORIGINAL: PartyBoy



        ORIGINAL: reg1

        what would be the minimum ammount to invest in in 1 go? was just thinking that if u could not afford a large ammont then i could do it in stages over a year or something. IE could 100iu be ok for now then another 100 in 4-6 months???


        tbh you need 4 mnths+ for results.



        Ok cheers, think i'll start saving then.
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          RE: Human Growth Hormone 14 April 2007 02:21 (permalink)
          hiya .. gr8 post pb .. cheers

          i am going to run a 13 week cycle and am planning to run ansomone @ 4ius ed from week 3 to week 10 (8 weeks in total) and with gh am taking t4(100mcg ed tapering up to 200mcg and down again) i might want to extend the gh/t4 another 4 weeks which will coincide with my PCT. will that be a prob?

          anyway keep up the good work and appreciate any advice given


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          Sounds fine

          <message edited by pulitu on 15 April 2007 11:09>

           

           
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            RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 April 2007 16:05 (permalink)
            when should i do second shot of growth?

            First one will be on waking at 7.30 i finish work at 5, train at 5.30 for 1 hour. Pre or post training, or later on?

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              RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 April 2007 16:21 (permalink)
              from 1st post in this thread:


              When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production



              i'm starting 4ius ed from in a couple of weeks ... thats how im gonna split it i think

               

               
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                RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 April 2007 16:26 (permalink)
                from what i had read though, heavy training causes an increase in natural gh?
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                  RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 April 2007 18:18 (permalink)
                  dunno bout that then it seems we need partyboy's help!

                   

                   
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                    RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 April 2007 19:47 (permalink)
                    Yes, that 1st post is actually by member "Raven" which I resurrected after a huge post cull by Admin. I would not be comfortable advising on IGF or Slin having never used either.

                    As for GH, there is much talk about with food, after food, before food. Well @rse to food lol, I just administer 1st thing in the morning and pretty much last thing at night. Job done.

                     

                     
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                      RE: Human Growth Hormone 29 April 2007 20:49 (permalink)
                      I am currently on a 5/2 cycle, anywhere between 4.5-5.1 IU ed ( I know the numbers are funky, but due to a digital shooting pen I use ). I was curious to know if there are major differences in the types of GH used. For example, are all [legitimate] GH brands distributing the same "somatropin (rDNA origin) for injection"? The reason I ask is because I am currently using Nutropin and will later be using Humatrope as I have a lot of both (about 13 months worth combined). Yet, I have only been reading about how Jintropin is the best. Are these brands (Nutropin and Humatrope) fine? Also, is the duration over a 13 month period to long. I know a lengthy question, but figured I'd speak my mind. Thanks! BTW, great post PB!!!
                       
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                        RE: Human Growth Hormone 29 April 2007 21:13 (permalink)
                        i was going to start a thread on this, note to all readers SOME PEOPLE CAN USE THE SEARCH
                        a lad suggested i should try this but my minds been made up by the below quote

                        I would forget GH tbh as a "cutting med". It just doesn't happen to a degree that ppl think. Unless you're already sub 10 or 11% wanting to dial in the last 3 or 4%, I'd just stick to good ole diet, cardio, ECA.


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                          RE: Human Growth Hormone 04 May 2007 10:19 (permalink)
                          just a little help on injecting growth.

                          so i pinch the skin and inject into the subcutaneous fat underneath?

                          do you have to inject it in the stomach area every time or can you stick it anywhere?

                          sorry to myther.

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                            RE: Human Growth Hormone 04 May 2007 12:09 (permalink)
                            Anywhere you can easily inject into the sub-q layer.

                             

                             
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                              RE: Human Growth Hormone 08 May 2007 14:21 (permalink)

                              ORIGINAL: PartyBoy
                              Joint and ligament strengthening


                              Do we know what sort of dose would be required ED to get some benefit related to joints and ligaments?

                              I've torn ligaments in both my ankles playing football, one 3 times and the other twice. Have had to stop playing football altogether and would really like to get back into it. Any ideas?

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                                RE: Human Growth Hormone 14 May 2007 18:21 (permalink)
                                Hi people.. im about to start a cycle of....

                                weeks 1-8 50mg var ed
                                weeks 1-12 500mg test-e pw
                                weeks 1-10 600 mg decca pw
                                weeks 2-18 4iu hgh per day

                                This will be the first time i have ran hgh and was just wondering about the sides,

                                Obviously, everyone you speak to knows a horror story about a "friend" taking hgh and ending up looking like shreik or a character from bo selectah!

                                Am i right in thinking 4iu per day is pretty safe side effect wise? I'm talking about skull growth and the like.. i know aching joints are a common problem.

                                Any opinions guys?

                                Regards

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                                  RE: Human Growth Hormone 16 May 2007 08:47 (permalink)
                                  I've not come across one incidence of bone growth from bbers using HGH.

                                  That's not to say it doesn't happen, but if it were not very rare, I'm sure we'd hear more about it.

                                   

                                   
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                                    RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 May 2007 04:21 (permalink)
                                    Hi.

                                    I never work out in my life and for being 6'3 and weighing 170, that pretty damn skinny. so i jsut got some roids off a buddy few days ago. i have a question for PB or anyone else that knows.

                                    i'm planning to do hgh jintrophin from monday to friday and be injecting it few hours before bed time and be at 2.5 iu, basically a bottle a week. and sustanon 250 2 times a week and it be on monday and thrusday. Does that sound alright at all? would that be a good way to put on some serisous weight? thanks.
                                     
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                                      RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 May 2007 04:43 (permalink)
                                      ops sorry i meant i be doing jintrophin hgh from monday to thrusday. and will be doing it for 2 monthes, hoping to gain maybe 30 pounds or more.
                                       
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                                        RE: Human Growth Hormone 19 May 2007 08:26 (permalink)


                                        ORIGINAL: TMT
                                        Does that sound alright at all?


                                        No, it sounds horrendous.




                                        would that be a good way to put on some serisous weight?


                                        No. Years of hard training employing all the different training routines and splits, coupled with a sound diet tailored towards muscle anabolism is the way to build muscle. If you think that steroids are muscles in a bottle you are deluding yourself.

                                        wtf? Planning steroid use without even stepping foot in a gym? This is surely a wind-up. If by chance you are actually serious (and I hope you're not!), you need to get a swift reality check mate.

                                        In the meantime, read this, it may just fire your brain cells into action:



                                        Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


                                        1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


                                        2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


                                        3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


                                        4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


                                        The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


                                        For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

                                        Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



                                        There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

                                        Acne
                                        Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
                                        Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
                                        Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
                                        Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
                                        Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
                                        Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
                                        Possible sexual dysfunction
                                        Testicle shrinkage
                                        Temporary infertility
                                        Changes in blood lipids
                                        Increases in blood pressure
                                        Oedema

                                         

                                         
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