Human Growth Hormone

pb.... thanks for the brilliant post..

start my first ever GH cyle next mon.. 5iu per day mon to fri.. for 11 weeks..

currently 3 weeks into pre contest prep. this will be the first time on gh for me... along with my clean diet, training, cardio, and AS, what can i expect from the GH with regards to pre contest prep mate??

cheers

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Hi mate

I wish I could take credit for it, but it was actually an old article by Raven that I 'rescued' during the forum changeover.

HGH appears to be a strange hormone in that some claim it to be wonderous, whereas little in terms of results are seen by others. I think its wise not to expect too much from GH, certainly not to the extent of results from steroids. However, if already utilising the usual suspects: aas; thyroid meds; perhaps slin, the inclusion of HGH could be considered the icing on the cake.

I have no experience mate with it during contest prep. Indeed, my personal experience of HGH amounts to 10 * 4IU jabs at this time, so most of my info is theoretical or based on empirical data.

I would be surprised if you didn't experience a notable effect on bodyfat levels. This appears to be a benefit of HGH that is undisputed. Out of interest, is there any reason why you're not using it weekends?

 

hi mate.. thanks for the reply..

a close friend of mine who competes and uses gh, advised me on the 5 days per week thing. since it will be my first time using the stuff.. also cost is a factor too LOL

looking forward to starting it next week, but i dont expect any miracles.. just a little more quality to my physique will do for me... will also be running T3 along side too..

cheers pb


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Useful info. But has anyone heard anything about the new test that has supposed to be developed by the IOC. It was undectectable, but they now claim it is detectable up to around 60 days after use, by blood test I believe.

Anyone know anything??

ORIGINAL: tonnyy

Useful info. But has anyone heard anything about the new test that has supposed to be developed by the IOC. It was undectectable, but they now claim it is detectable up to around 60 days after use, by blood test I believe.

Anyone know anything??

One test looks at the ratio between 2 natural isoforms of hGH in humans. The recombinant hGH comprises of one isoform type. When you inject with this type a feedback mechanism means that the ratio between the bodies own types alter and this can be used as a measure of doping. Only really effective if tested about 3-6 hours after injection not 60 days.

Test two looks at 'genetic marker proteins'. If injection of recombinant hGH is not directly and practicably testable, then you look for markers (other proteins) that rise and fall following injection of hGH. This means that you do tests for baselines of your chosen markers and then look to see if the levels of these markers fluctuate in the manner that you would expect for the profile following hGH injection. This type of test has the benefit of having a longer 'window' of testing because you are not looking for hGH directly. The problem is getting the test to be legally watertight 'cos a good lawyer will run rings around the argument of "we could not test hGH but we found circumstancial evidence that he/she MAY have injected.

And I don't care what Dick Pound may like to think or say. They are far away from having a working test for hGH.

I have tried using growth hormone myself at 2iu every other day and also at 4 iu ed (2iu am and 2iu pm) and didn't notice much difference. I was also told (by a knowledgeable gear user) to take my gh before bed or in the morning because the body can utilise it better at these times when natural gh is released into the system although this was the opposite to what i had read i gave it a go. I would like to know if anyone out there has suffered from extreme sweating during sleep, as i myself sweat profusely when taking growth and find it very uncomfortable. Is it true that using nolvadex with gh lowers igf-1 levels and therefore reduces results, if this is so how can we control btits if we are to use androgens and t3. does t3 not also encourage btits?

You say the gh will be fine in the fridge for up to 3 days, what happens if used after this time? I am using Jintropin from GeneSci and it comes in 10iu bottles. If i am using only 2iu a day or every other day is it safe to use the remaining gh? After all it is very expensive. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

I think you look amazing, ripped and shredded. Don't expect too much from the growth though. What sort of diet plan do you use to stay so incredibly lean? Is cardio a big part of it? What sort of gear courses do you use and what sort of dosages? Any help would be appreciated.

I have read an article on gh, which says it should be used for 3 days on and 4-6 days off. I think it was paul borresens stack book. Are these old methods? What is the most current method of gh usage?

Anyone know what the legal standpoint is on HGH ?

hello biomo my first coment in the forum.
I have been suffering from the same sweats during the night I mean getting up towelling myself down etc.
Ive been on ansomone 4 iu ed for 6 weeks added 100ml of deca 3xweek 2 weeks ago great results .
Another effect that im experiencing is extreme nail /hair growth(not like apeman but alarming)great skin appearence(so me missus tells me)and most importantly fat removal from my abs.

ok. 2 weeks into my gh cycle (5iu per day mon to fri)

skin changes most apparent !! seems to have changed texture, looks far better and amazingly looks like my skin is somewhat thinner.. overall i feel pretty damn good..
im dieting on alot more clean food than in the past, but still getting leaner and leaner.. which is good..
running 100mg prop e/od...150mg eq e/od... not mega doses but so far so good.. will be switching to primo/wini from 6 weeks out from show...

i have another 8 weeks worth of gh to go yet and if this first two weeks is anything to go bye, them im extremely exited about what the end result may be.. !!


current pre contest diet..

07.00 75g oats
1 tin tuna
8 eggs (one yolk)
mushrooms and onion
all mixed and cooked together... i love this

10.00 2 tins tuna
small baked potato

13.00 salmon steak
broccoli

16.00 same as 10.00

train at 1730 (ish)

20.00 250g chicken or turkey breast
50g basmati rice (cooked weight)
broccoli

22.30 6 eggs (one yolk) scrambled with onion and pepper
1 scoop whey in water

plus multi vit, vit c, 4 litres water, diet coke/pepsi,

cardio 5 sessions of 35 mins each after weights.....

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v1 is there a reason u do not have a whey shake after training ?

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Hey steve, i heard from a mutual friend yesterday that you are ready NOW !
How shredded are ya gunna be this year ?

yeah, when pre contest... i try to get my nutrients from proper solid food only..this way i can control exactly what im eating (do we really know exactly whats in our protein drinks??)

just peace of mind really mate...plus ive never been one to prescribe to the post workout whey necessity thingy... just have a good nutritious meal as and when you get home from the gym has done me ok mate..

the pre bed shake is just to bump the protein up a bit ... this will be replaced for more eggs a 3-4 weeks out from show....

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ORIGINAL: firepower

Anyone know what the legal standpoint is on HGH ?

Same as aas mate. Legal to posess, illegal to supply.

 

hey bodworks bro.... do i know you mate?

and yes, i'm EXTREMELY happy with how i'm looking rite now... probably a little too far ahead of myself to be honest, so i will keep one or two cheat meals per week in too.... just to stave off peeking too early mate.

hopefully ill be the heaviest and most shredded ive ever been ... thats the plan anyway..

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Been on 4IU ansomone (split twice) ed now for around 4 weeks.

Side effects:

After a few days I suffered intense itchyness on both upper arms, between the outer head of the bicep and the tricep. Not at all bad through the day, mainly at night and through the night. However, its since subsided over the last couple of weeks. Might not have been the GH, may just have been coincidental.

Hand and finger pain, though no pins and needles at all. Not bad at all through the day as my joints get 'warmed up'. Worse though the night when woken, and also first thing in the morning. Main areas affected are the palms of my hands i.e. when pressure is applied such as holding a heavy dumbell. Other areas include the fingers esp. the outer joint where the nail is.

Oedema. Slight swelling witnessed.

 

fcuk me... thats what the itchyness will be that ive been getting then mate... i wondered where the hell that came from....(been really itchy around the pelvis area for a week or so now!)


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after 3 weeks jintropin.. 5iu per day mon to fri

ok, now 8 weeks out from show (nabba n.east)... things going well.

glute striations coming thru.. i'm a little worried that this is happening to early actually.. so ill need to hold off a little somewhat... may increase my cals a little more, and/or reduce cardio sessions... considering im dieting, and losing bf, my strength is still good and i feel pretty good too.

see how it goes this week... i'm badly in need of a sun tan tho !! look like an albino version of casper the ghost might start a few sunbed sessions this week also..

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Sootybaby,

sent a message to your email, not sure if it went through though. Anyway, what do you think the window for testing would be?

Cheers

ORIGINAL: sootybaby

One test looks at the ratio between 2 natural isoforms of hGH in humans. The recombinant hGH comprises of one isoform type. When you inject with this type a feedback mechanism means that the ratio between the bodies own types alter and this can be used as a measure of doping. Only really effective if tested about 3-6 hours after injection not 60 days.

Test two looks at 'genetic marker proteins'. If injection of recombinant hGH is not directly and practicably testable, then you look for markers (other proteins) that rise and fall following injection of hGH. This means that you do tests for baselines of your chosen markers and then look to see if the levels of these markers fluctuate in the manner that you would expect for the profile following hGH injection. This type of test has the benefit of having a longer 'window' of testing because you are not looking for hGH directly. The problem is getting the test to be legally watertight 'cos a good lawyer will run rings around the argument of "we could not test hGH but we found circumstancial evidence that he/she MAY have injected.

And I don't care what Dick Pound may like to think or say. They are far away from having a working test for hGH.

NIce post Prtyboy

keep it up m8

This is a little hard to explain, but I notice that those who make good progress in increasing muscle mass generally have a decent of muscle fibers to begin with. In other words, I can usually tell if someone can make good gains if that person seems to have the structual potential to gain a lot of muscle mass. So these people can build a fair amount of muscle because they have a lot of existing muscle fibers to work with. (They just have to make them larger.)

The problem for me is that I don't seem to have a lot of muscle fiber to begin with. I am your classic skinny Asian male and have little muscle tone. So my belief is that all the weight training in the world even with the use of anabolic steroids can only make marginal gains for me. (And I do work very hard in the gym and eat well.) So I'm beginning to think that GH is the way for me to go since GH actually increases the number of cells (hyperplasia) rather than simply making the existing muscle cells bigger (hypertrophy).

Can someone please tell me if this logic is flawed? My personal trainer says he can either start me on a cycle of deca or a GH. Thanks.

chrism

Hey PB,

Would going with 4iu once a week on a sust/deca cycle for 8 weeks have any beneficial effect or is too little ?

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At least 5 days pw is required bud

 

Partyboy,

Quick question. So, with the 5-2 combo and a split dosage, you're talking 10 shots a week plus the steriods? Ouch. Can the insulin be combined with the HGH? If not, then are we talking 20/week?

Also, any thoughts on what steroid combo goes best with this? Not sure about the HGH, but a possible next cycle could be sustanon (500mg/wk), deca (400mg/wk), trenbolone (225mg/wk), 30mg of dianabol/day. 10 weeks.

BTW, I've been reading this board for over a year but just joined. It's an amazing resource and I've learned a ton thanks to you guys.

Slin would normally to timed to coincide with workout feedings etc and HGH generally first thing/last thing. Bear in mind though that for slin and HGH you're using very fine 30g pins - 9 times out of 10 I can't feel a thing them going in and scar tissue isn't an issue.

You're best to post your cycle idea in the Testosterone forum bro for a wide range of opinions.

btw - welcome to MT!

 

if your growth plates have grown. will gh make even a small height increase. also i heard it causes your colar bones to grow. does this mean in length so you get a wider frame?

Your growth plates seal (depending on the individual) around the ages 19-24ish. Once they have closed, there is no further height or collar bone growth permissable.

 

PartyBoy,

I know that your original post stated that it's someone else's post but maybe you can elaborate. If I'm ONLY using GH, how long before I see results if I take 5 iu per day with no off days? I was just curious if it takes longer without stacking with insulin, IGF, or steroids. Also, if one were to stack with Winstrol, is that safe? I know I haven't included details about my workout, diet, and such but I was wondering if you could give me a general idea. Thank you for putting up that original post too by the way.

Well I've used growth independantly and noticed slight localised fat loss after around 4 weeks. Not a massive difference, but noticeable.

GH is normally used in conjunction with steroids whether that be test, primo, winny or whatever. Generally, "results" from HGH are somewhat muted in comparison to steroids.

 

Hi fellas

Been reading these posts it seems that a min of 3iu is being used,is this assumeing an average size of person,or does it not matter,i mean a 190lbs bb would not need as much as a 290lbs bb,,,right/rong.

Like as with roids your muscles will only accept so much of what you inj depending on size, so useing to much will cause unnecessary side effects,

Does hgh work the same?

hi, i was reading ur post on human growth hormone, well basically
>im a
>experienced steroids user, and dnt like the fact that after
>cycles, i
>loose weight. hg prevents this, or at least reduces the loss.
>Basiclly i want to use genotropin which to my knowledge is the
>"one",
>with in conjuction with test and deca. I want to put on quality
>mass,
>nw can u jst advise me on dosages and how long i should runthe
>whole
>cycle for, if i want to c a noticeable differance in size. I want
>to
>run a steroid cycle for 2 months, but have no idea when to use hg
>and
>for how lng, and what dosages, can u plz advise me..

ORIGINAL: jbaig2

hi, i was reading ur post on human growth hormone, well basically
>im a
>experienced steroids user, and dnt like the fact that after
>cycles, i
>loose weight. hg prevents this, or at least reduces the loss.
>Basiclly i want to use genotropin which to my knowledge is the
>"one",
>with in conjuction with test and deca. I want to put on quality
>mass,
>nw can u jst advise me on dosages and how long i should runthe
>whole
>cycle for, if i want to c a noticeable differance in size. I want
>to
>run a steroid cycle for 2 months, but have no idea when to use hg
>and
>for how lng, and what dosages, can u plz advise me..

tbhyou should be looking more into IGF for the purpose of what you have outlined

khanys Tracks what do you think ?

Does IGF help stop weight loss after a roid cycle? Where can i get good info on the actual muscle building effects of IGF? I feel HGH is pritty much a waste of money for people looking to gain mass. I noticed there is no sticky on IGF yet does this mean not many members know much about or have used it or are they just keeping their info to themselfs?

ok il look into igf, but can u answer my question too, if i was to do a roid cycle with hg, then when, for how lng, and what dosages sahould i take the hg at...

what dosage do u guys think is best for me (and duration). 4iu a day for 4 months, 5 iu a day for3 months or 6 iu for 2 and a half months? i am a boxer remember and 18 stone at the mo

Of the options I'd go with 4IU for 4months, though 6IU for 4 months would be nice

 

partyboy it sure would. might save up for it

Back in March, this was the case for Hgh testing:

'One test looks at the ratio between 2 natural isoforms of hGH in humans. The recombinant hGH comprises of one isoform type. When you inject with this type a feedback mechanism means that the ratio between the bodies own types alter and this can be used as a measure of doping. Only really effective if tested about 3-6 hours after injection not 60 days.

Test two looks at 'genetic marker proteins'. If injection of recombinant hGH is not directly and practicably testable, then you look for markers (other proteins) that rise and fall following injection of hGH. This means that you do tests for baselines of your chosen markers and then look to see if the levels of these markers fluctuate in the manner that you would expect for the profile following hGH injection. This type of test has the benefit of having a longer 'window' of testing because you are not looking for hGH directly. The problem is getting the test to be legally watertight 'cos a good lawyer will run rings around the argument of "we could not test hGH but we found circumstancial evidence that he/she MAY have injected.

And I don't care what Dick Pound may like to think or say. They are far away from having a working test for hGH'.


However, I have read this week that China have started testing athletes for Hgh including at the up comming Grand prix meet. (How ironic cos most of it comes from China!) Anyway, does anyone (Sootybaby inparticular) know if these same tests are being introduced in the UK or Europe this autumn?

Thanks
Tony