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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 18 March 2007 19:11
ok cheers
just he claims he has been cutting up on it but if there is no such thing i will leave it

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 March 2007 10:27
Wow, What a lot of details for taking HGH. I don't know if your allowed to name your source here so I won't even though I have them.. I believe if you or take HGH have to be on a minumum of 6 months to a year of HGH, you can disagree or agree with me I'd like to know peoples opinion on this subject. However, I use 2i.u's per day mon-fri with weekend offs. Also I have gone up 4i.us a day while doing one shot Test 250, the Test that has 4 blends of tests in it, I do once every 7-10 days. Now being on a year I get a quartly test to make sure everything on the iside is okay. I have veins where Id never thought possible. Well I am new to the site any new advice or just to say hello. I live in the U.S, I know not many people like us and I don't blame you but the terminology and words and the .UK at the end of the web site gave it away. Where are you located.

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 March 2007 10:40
I don't know who I am replying to yet as I am still learning but someone mentioned a spray for IGF-1 spray. I agree with the comment below is correct. There is so such thing as a spray for HGH a spray for IGF-1 or put stuff under the tounge to release HGH. The ONLY way to take HGH if you can even get the real deal is to use an insulin needled grap a small roll of fat and inject. That is the only way to do so. All the sprays and other gimmicks are just taking money from your pocket.- Todd

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 20 March 2007 10:16
Hi,

I'm 25 and have been training constantly for the past 2 years using proteins and what not and have seen only a slight improvement in physique, it may be that I train by myself I dont know.. I especially dont want to take steroids but have been reading about human growth hormones e.g Jintropin and am interested in doing a cycle.
I'm concerned about some of the side effects as I've heard it can cause the jaw/chin to protrude, penis size increasing/decreasing, bone growth.. I really dont know what to believe as I havent actually spoken to anyone that has taken it. I've read on other forums that there are some good aspect of it for example, increased mentality, ease of sleep, increasing lean muscle mass, lowering fat levels.
Are these statements true??


I'd appreciate it greatly if anyone could shed some light on some of my concerns

Thanks

Charles



Slight drab4 edit - Mate please read the rules of the forum

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 22 March 2007 04:36
I was considering starting a GH cycle, I actually have 120iu's.

I am looking to cut fat from my stomach and obliques mainly, and if I gain a bit of lean mass in the process that would be cool too.

I plan on doing 30 mins. of cardio in the morning before breakfast, semi-cutting diet, high protein, and mass gaining lifting routine.

Should I take it 7 days a week, or 5 on and 2 off?

what is the risk of getting the "GH Gut" at that dose? Is it a greating risk that taking IGF? (just curious on that bit)

I plan on doing 30 mins. of cardio in the morning before breakfast
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 22 March 2007 04:58


ORIGINAL: thegoodlife

I was considering starting a GH cycle, I actually have 120iu's.

I am looking to cut fat from my stomach and obliques mainly, and if I gain a bit of lean mass in the process that would be cool too.

I plan on doing 30 mins. of cardio in the morning before breakfast, semi-cutting diet, high protein, and mass gaining lifting routine.

Should I take it 7 days a week, or 5 on and 2 off?

what is the risk of getting the "GH Gut" at that dose? Is it a greating risk that taking IGF? (just curious on that bit)

I plan on doing 30 mins. of cardio in the morning before breakfast



you don't say how many iu's you plan on taking per day..
I'm no expert but don't think 120iu's will really do much for you..I reckon you would need at least twice to 3 times that.
Gh has alot more chance of causing Gh gut than IGF as far as I know..

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 22 March 2007 05:30
gonna take 3 IU's a day

don't know about that, I read IGF binds to the receptors in the gut a lot more than GH, there was some test on lab rats, increased gut size by 20%, the link to the report is in a few threads on here
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 22 March 2007 06:27
I've ran IGF twice now.. 1st time at 40mcg Ed for 25 days and 2nd time at 80mcg ED.
I know a chap who has ran IGF 6 times now and up to 100mcgs and no sides whatsoever..
I think I read somwhere that if you inject IGF sub-q into your stomach then it would increase the chances of GH gut alright.
IGF IM into the muscle you train on that day is standard protocol

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 22 March 2007 06:29
Quick question for experienced GH users..
If you inject GH sub q in your stomach area then does it actaully spot reduce fat in this area?? and if so then could it be injected into the chest area to achieve the same thing

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 23 March 2007 03:39
Bumpty bump

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 25 March 2007 18:21
I am considering a 5/2 5IU Ed cycle of GH (Humatrope). I have never used this stuff before so was wondering if I should taper ? Possible start at 3 or 4IU ed and work my way up, then taper down? Also, is it dangerous to incorporate an over the counter fat burner such as Hydroxycut Hardcore with my cycle? It has been layin around for a while and figured I might as well use it.

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 25 March 2007 19:17


ORIGINAL: mdbrito
wondering if I should taper ?


no


is it dangerous to incorporate an over the counter fat burner such as Hydroxycut Hardcore with my cycle?


no

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 25 March 2007 19:18
Hydroxycut is somethiung that you would be over paying for. I would use something else.

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 26 March 2007 04:58
Okay. I understand stacking T3 with GH is suggested. Should I follow the basic tapering dosages I have read in MT's "T3" sticky, or does anything change considering there are several drugs I am using here? Jnr's question :

ORIGINAL: jnr2006

Quick question for experienced GH users..
If you inject GH sub q in your stomach area then does it actaully spot reduce fat in this area?? and if so then could it be injected into the chest area to achieve the same thing


also interested me and was wondering if that could be answered. Thanks a bunch guys.


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 26 March 2007 15:39


ORIGINAL: mdbrito

Okay. I understand stacking T3 with GH is suggested. Should I follow the basic tapering dosages I have read in MT's "T3" sticky, or does anything change considering there are several drugs I am using here? Jnr's question :

ORIGINAL: jnr2006

Quick question for experienced GH users..
If you inject GH sub q in your stomach area then does it actaully spot reduce fat in this area?? and if so then could it be injected into the chest area to achieve the same thing


also interested me and was wondering if that could be answered. Thanks a bunch guys.





I have 2 friends that use HGH regularly. Both say that they have spot reduced fat using HGH, and I can definately see a difference in fat in the areas they injected. I am going to use the stuff and hope for the same effect.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 27 March 2007 02:56
I am currently following Cashman's lifting routine, and it has been working well. But I am curious to know if I should be working out my muscles harder or more often weekly? I am asking because I know when on gear, muscle recovery time is accelerated and much much quicker. Does gh do the same? If so, how can I vary my workout to take full advantage of GH?

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 27 March 2007 10:07
I wouldn't worry about that. Just train hard and heavy as normal

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 28 March 2007 16:22
thanks for all the info guys

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 02 April 2007 02:05
great info mate

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 03 April 2007 18:11
what would be the minimum ammount to invest in in 1 go? was just thinking that if u could not afford a large ammont then i could do it in stages over a year or something. IE could 100iu be ok for now then another 100 in 4-6 months???
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 08 April 2007 13:34
pb

does this cycle look ok for the summer

ive done 3 or 4 various test/deca cycles in the past 2 and half years

4 iu ed gh (for three month)

500 test (10 weeks)

500 deca (10 weeks)

and equpoise for the last 5 weeks

was looking for the first 10 weeks to bulk up

then the equpoise and remaining gh once the deca/test stops to help me cut in a litte

cheers mate


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 09 April 2007 08:21


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what would be the minimum ammount to invest in in 1 go? was just thinking that if u could not afford a large ammont then i could do it in stages over a year or something. IE could 100iu be ok for now then another 100 in 4-6 months???


tbh you need 4 mnths+ for results.

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 09 April 2007 08:24
I would forget GH tbh as a "cutting med". It just doesn't happen to a degree that ppl think. Unless you're already sub 10 or 11% wanting to dial in the last 3 or 4%, I'd just stick to good ole diet, cardio, ECA.

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 09 April 2007 17:55


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ORIGINAL: reg1

what would be the minimum ammount to invest in in 1 go? was just thinking that if u could not afford a large ammont then i could do it in stages over a year or something. IE could 100iu be ok for now then another 100 in 4-6 months???


tbh you need 4 mnths+ for results.



Ok cheers, think i'll start saving then.
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 14 April 2007 02:21
hiya .. gr8 post pb .. cheers

i am going to run a 13 week cycle and am planning to run ansomone @ 4ius ed from week 3 to week 10 (8 weeks in total) and with gh am taking t4(100mcg ed tapering up to 200mcg and down again) i might want to extend the gh/t4 another 4 weeks which will coincide with my PCT. will that be a prob?

anyway keep up the good work and appreciate any advice given


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Sounds fine

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 April 2007 16:05
when should i do second shot of growth?

First one will be on waking at 7.30 i finish work at 5, train at 5.30 for 1 hour. Pre or post training, or later on?

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 April 2007 16:21
from 1st post in this thread:


When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production



i'm starting 4ius ed from in a couple of weeks ... thats how im gonna split it i think

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 April 2007 16:26
from what i had read though, heavy training causes an increase in natural gh?
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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 April 2007 18:18
dunno bout that then it seems we need partyboy's help!

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 April 2007 19:47
Yes, that 1st post is actually by member "Raven" which I resurrected after a huge post cull by Admin. I would not be comfortable advising on IGF or Slin having never used either.

As for GH, there is much talk about with food, after food, before food. Well @rse to food lol, I just administer 1st thing in the morning and pretty much last thing at night. Job done.

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 29 April 2007 20:49
I am currently on a 5/2 cycle, anywhere between 4.5-5.1 IU ed ( I know the numbers are funky, but due to a digital shooting pen I use ). I was curious to know if there are major differences in the types of GH used. For example, are all [legitimate] GH brands distributing the same "somatropin (rDNA origin) for injection"? The reason I ask is because I am currently using Nutropin and will later be using Humatrope as I have a lot of both (about 13 months worth combined). Yet, I have only been reading about how Jintropin is the best. Are these brands (Nutropin and Humatrope) fine? Also, is the duration over a 13 month period to long. I know a lengthy question, but figured I'd speak my mind. Thanks! BTW, great post PB!!!

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 29 April 2007 21:13
i was going to start a thread on this, note to all readers SOME PEOPLE CAN USE THE SEARCH
a lad suggested i should try this but my minds been made up by the below quote

I would forget GH tbh as a "cutting med". It just doesn't happen to a degree that ppl think. Unless you're already sub 10 or 11% wanting to dial in the last 3 or 4%, I'd just stick to good ole diet, cardio, ECA.


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 04 May 2007 10:19
just a little help on injecting growth.

so i pinch the skin and inject into the subcutaneous fat underneath?

do you have to inject it in the stomach area every time or can you stick it anywhere?

sorry to myther.

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 04 May 2007 12:09
Anywhere you can easily inject into the sub-q layer.

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 08 May 2007 14:21

ORIGINAL: PartyBoy
Joint and ligament strengthening


Do we know what sort of dose would be required ED to get some benefit related to joints and ligaments?

I've torn ligaments in both my ankles playing football, one 3 times and the other twice. Have had to stop playing football altogether and would really like to get back into it. Any ideas?

Thanks

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 14 May 2007 18:21
Hi people.. im about to start a cycle of....

weeks 1-8 50mg var ed
weeks 1-12 500mg test-e pw
weeks 1-10 600 mg decca pw
weeks 2-18 4iu hgh per day

This will be the first time i have ran hgh and was just wondering about the sides,

Obviously, everyone you speak to knows a horror story about a "friend" taking hgh and ending up looking like shreik or a character from bo selectah!

Am i right in thinking 4iu per day is pretty safe side effect wise? I'm talking about skull growth and the like.. i know aching joints are a common problem.

Any opinions guys?

Regards

Matt

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 16 May 2007 08:47
I've not come across one incidence of bone growth from bbers using HGH.

That's not to say it doesn't happen, but if it were not very rare, I'm sure we'd hear more about it.

 


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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 May 2007 04:21
Hi.

I never work out in my life and for being 6'3 and weighing 170, that pretty damn skinny. so i jsut got some roids off a buddy few days ago. i have a question for PB or anyone else that knows.

i'm planning to do hgh jintrophin from monday to friday and be injecting it few hours before bed time and be at 2.5 iu, basically a bottle a week. and sustanon 250 2 times a week and it be on monday and thrusday. Does that sound alright at all? would that be a good way to put on some serisous weight? thanks.

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 May 2007 04:43
ops sorry i meant i be doing jintrophin hgh from monday to thrusday. and will be doing it for 2 monthes, hoping to gain maybe 30 pounds or more.

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RE: Human Growth Hormone - 19 May 2007 08:26


ORIGINAL: TMT
Does that sound alright at all?


No, it sounds horrendous.




would that be a good way to put on some serisous weight?


No. Years of hard training employing all the different training routines and splits, coupled with a sound diet tailored towards muscle anabolism is the way to build muscle. If you think that steroids are muscles in a bottle you are deluding yourself.

wtf? Planning steroid use without even stepping foot in a gym? This is surely a wind-up. If by chance you are actually serious (and I hope you're not!), you need to get a swift reality check mate.

In the meantime, read this, it may just fire your brain cells into action:



Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

Acne
Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
Possible sexual dysfunction
Testicle shrinkage
Temporary infertility
Changes in blood lipids
Increases in blood pressure
Oedema

 


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