Humble beginnings

hello muscletalk community, just thought i'd divulge some information on my early experience's with gear, how its affected me physically and mentally, influenced my path in life etc. 
 
bodybuilding and gym's have always been an integral part of my life, some of my earliest memories are sitting on the leg press in the local gym being hoisted up and down by my father, helping bodybuilders prepare back stage and just thinking to myself when i grow up this is what i,m going to do, and i'm going to do it well.
 
i don't understand why people try/bother to tell users that what their doing is wrong and dangerous, i made my mind up along time ago that i was willing to die for this sport, and if your scared that steroids are going to kill you, i ask, why are you even contemplating it?
 
id rather spend 30 years on earth as the best in my field and be remembered, than 80 as a nobody with nothing to show, and nobody to care
 
i had already been training and put on 2 and a half stone naturally (starting at 140lbs) prior to my first cycle which consisted of british dragon dianabol at 50mg for 6 weeks with a short 3 week clomid pct, my weight increased from 12,8 to 13,5 of which i quite easily maintained.
 
so here i am now 2 weeks after my first injection, 600mg of upjohn test cypionate and 200mg of  norma nandrolone decanoate a week and 40mg of dianabol ed for the first 4 weeks,
 
I spent about 2 months lowering my carb intake to burn of some unwanted fat before cycle going from 13,3 to 12,8, and all i can say is damn this is going to be wild, its been 16 days and im already upto my weight whilst using solely dbol.
i cant wait to see what this test does when its been given adequate time to build up in my system.
 
gonna list my stats below, and check back every fortnight to post progress and an eventual review of the entire experience.
 
Starting
weight: 179lbs
bodyfat 8 - 10%
height: 5'11
 
Current
Age: 21
weight: 187lbs
bodyfat: 9 - 11%
 
check ya later, ps no lectures on PCT, training and diet please, trever isn't a silly boy, trust ;)
 
i'd love to hear some of your begginer stories from the guys who've been in the game for a while now, so get posting

Deca on a first cycle tut tut... Silly boy

Minger

cmon minger, are you just trying to wind me up?
 
did you even read the entire post, you could at least provide some evidence as to why you think stacking the bare minimum of deca into my cycle to maintain joints is a bad idea
 
 

Well you did say you didn't want a lecture so I didn't :-)

I did read the whole post and I didn't comment on the natural gains you can make at your age..

I am still firmly in the test only school for a first cycle, for more than obvious reasons, but still the trend to add more than test to a first cycle is all too commonplace at the moment. And IMHO definitely not needed. Dbol and Nandrolone can be nasty for gyno something you need to ascertain if your sensitive of from a test only cycle.

Not to mention your missing out on the great feeling you get from test only, deca makes me personally moody and I hate it.

As for joint maintenance at 21? C'mon you shouldn't have problems at your age cod liver oil or udos would be more than adequate. I'm nearly 40 and don't need deca in every cycle for my joints.

It's a classic bulking cycle your on and I hope it all goes well.

Minger

Best of luck to you mate!
Let us know how you go...

A reasoned response, with good advice as always Minger. You are a valued part of this community.

To me, this is like drinking or smoking.
People abuse them both on a wide scale, and only a small number use them sensibily. But what can we do if someone wants to go all out and experiment in an unorthodox manner? All we can do is just wish them luck. If he knows the risks and health complications, and is old enough, then its up to him - in my eyes.
We all know whats suitable here, but it doesnt mean we should force it on others.... but I know its fustrating at the same time. If the OP got really ill or got serious health issues later in life, its another nail in the coffin against those of us who are responsible...
 
Each to his own I guess...

im really glad you took the time to the time to post some relevant helpful stuff, and i can understand where your coming from.
 
but i come from a family of bodybuilding,and not to sound like a big headed c**t but i know pretty much everything about it because i have to and ive been planning this cycle out like a robbery for years
 
my fathers first cycle was deca only at the age of 17! imagine that lol
 
ive never been one for pussy footing around the rim, and in my eyes if i'm to be taken seriously i have to take every aspect of this sport just as seriously
 
thanks alot anyway, i was expecting to come back to a verbal bashing haha

4 weeks down, dbol is finished and im now relying solely on the injectables
 
to help put things in perspective
 
the heaviest i've been on dbol alone is 13.5 St after 6 weeks
im currently weighing 13.7 after just 4, im intruiged to see how the injectables fair now on their own since i know im working with reasonably long esters that are only just beginning to work (if anyone can give me a time frame on the build up of cyp and nan decanoate in the blood aswell as its active life peaks id be very grateful)
 
im not actually FEELING anything from the test apart from being a sex pest but ive always been a very hormonal individual anyway, very spotty even when off, full beard since i was 16 ( the spots on my face have actually all cleared up since i started the test which is bonkers, if anyone can figure that one out ill be happy to know haha)
 
and as for the not needing deca for joints at my age minger, you dont need to cure something if you can prevent it in the first place :P
 
back in a fortnight with more stats 

It may sound very heroic when you tell yourself you are willing to die for your sport etc when you are 21 and think you are invincible. 
 
doubt you will be singing the same tune when you are 35 married with two children and have serious health issues. now not to say you will have serious health issues, but it is always possible.
 
to say you don't care when you are 21 isnt big, or clever. 
 
(and yes i was the same as you)

Genics


It may sound very heroic when you tell yourself you are willing to die for your sport etc when you are 21 and think you are invincible. 

doubt you will be singing the same tune when you are 35 married with two children and have serious health issues. now not to say you will have serious health issues, but it is always possible.

to say you don't care when you are 21 isnt big, or clever. 

(and yes i was the same as you)

As I said, its like alcohol abuse in this country. Try telling a group of kids who want you to buy them booze that they are "too young" and may "hurt themselves" later in life. They'll just ignore you, and get some other sucker to buy there stuff for them. Once people are fixed and driven at something, they'll go for it none the less.
I agree with what your saying here though, dont get me wrong.

in my eyes when you really get down to it, were all dead men walking, and once your dead, your dead, the important part is being rememberd for what you did while you were alive
 
id rather die at 40 accomplishing something that i set out to do, and be remembered as that guy who did it for years to come. Than spend an extra 40 knowing im the guy who may as well never have existed at all
 
if i were to find out that i had some terminal illness right now due to the use of gear, id be more pissed at the fact that my body wasn't up to the job.
 
i appreciate your concern, but dont even worry about it man, life is so brittle im just goin to run as fast as i can while i can and maybe ill make it to the finish
 
maybe my views will change at some point, and you can say told you so, but lets just see what happens in the meantime 

Treverdick


in my eyes when you really get down to it, were all dead men walking, and once your dead, your dead, the important part is being rememberd for what you did while you were alive

id rather die at 40 accomplishing something that i set out to do, and be remembered as that guy who did it for years to come. Than spend an extra 40 knowing im the guy who may as well never have existed at all

if i were to find out that i had some terminal illness right now due to the use of gear, id be more pissed at the fact that my body wasn't up to the job.

i appreciate your concern, but dont even worry about it man, life is so brittle im just goin to run as fast as i can while i can and maybe ill make it to the finish

maybe my views will change at some point, and you can say told you so, but lets just see what happens in the meantime 

 
Good post that.   You go for it fella.

Firstly I don't think there are many professionals with 40years experience that know everything so I think that's a bit nieve of you to think that.

But I admire your confidence and that's what you need to be successful. I will say though don't be ignorant and ignore sound advice. For instance if a judge says you need to work on, I don't know, better seperation or something don't think phfff what does he know.

Fair play to you though. Sound pretty switched on. Wish I was as focused as you at 21.

Good luck to you mate.

good luck to ya chief - fyi there are loads of people who achieved greatness after the age of 40, they may not be bodybuilders but you know them. http://www.rankopedia.com...Age-40/Step1/3768/.htm

Might as well start insulin from day one then with that attitude 

Treverdick


in my eyes when you really get down to it, were all dead men walking, and once your dead, your dead, the important part is being rememberd for what you did while you were alive

id rather die at 40 accomplishing something that i set out to do, and be remembered as that guy who did it for years to come. Than spend an extra 40 knowing im the guy who may as well never have existed at all

if i were to find out that i had some terminal illness right now due to the use of gear, id be more pissed at the fact that my body wasn't up to the job.

i appreciate your concern, but dont even worry about it man, life is so brittle im just goin to run as fast as i can while i can and maybe ill make it to the finish

maybe my views will change at some point, and you can say told you so, but lets just see what happens in the meantime 

 
Theres more to life than steroid use mate. And it wont be the roids that kill you.
I agree, we are all dead men walking regardless... but the philosophy your trying to relate to isnt about doing as much as you can in one sitting - its about making sure you fulfill your dreams before its too late.
For example, I take it all slow... if I did something rash and stupid and it ends up costing me - who is going to provide and care for my wife and children? Who is going to pay the bills and mortgage? Who is going to be there at special events to support family? And futher more, I wouldnt of lived long enough to do all my other goals and dreams (which I could of accomplished if I wasnt so reckless and impulsive). Having just 1 goal is a real waste of life, because you could achieve your goal within 5 years - then what?
 
Im not much older than you mate... and your obviously set and focused which is good, but your attitude is terrifying and with a complete immature disregard. But thats just my opinion, and its not worth anything really...
 
I can only wish you luck, and hope your cycles go well

now your just being silly :P
 
my frame and musculature is not mature enough for that do any good.......yet, im going to go as far as i can with gear before i even think about using that. 
 
aesthetics are very important to me and i wouldn't want to sacrifice them for the sake of an extra few pounds i dont currently need to compete
 
hate gh belly, haaaaate it

"your attitude is terrifying" haha i really liked that bit
 
look at it this way, im taking test cyp, deca with a dbol kicker
 
the meat and veg of the steroid world, its not as if i'm going crazy with my dosages, i eat responsibly, and train 5 times a week
 
i plan on using this cycle for a long time just to see how far i can take it, and maybe ill consider trying something else when the need be or i've come as far as its taken me.
 
im not going to TRY to put myself in the ground, but as the old saying goes "sh!t happens"
 
thanks for your concern anyways ha
 
 

thanks man