Is DAA the best test booster now then?

Hello,

I am still a little dubious about DAA, it seems to have burst onto the scene with claims of 40% increase in test, and yet it is still so cheap.

Outside of hormonal products, surely DAA is better and cheaper than anything else if the claims are true. Is it really? And what about the neurotoxicity? I suppose it sounds too good to be true.

I have tried various natural test boosters in the past and generally they are a smelly waste of money that do very little, and cost much. I hate the outlandish claims companies back about their products, and the gullible people that review them. I know there are more reviews and information on USA based websites but I swear 90% of them are sponsored logs and they make about a 1% improvement in 6 weeks and rave about the product when they are spouting bollocks.

So what has been your experience with DAA? and will it give you brain damage?

Not sure about brain damage but hope not have heard a lot about this stuff too and intend to give it a go soon. I have also heard and read it can be even more effective if taken with an AI so will try it that way,and will post results/oppinion after a few weeks use.

Patrick Arnold
we are not injecting DAA into our brains.  I have read the studies where they use nmda to induce neuronal death and they produce localized concentrations that are magnitudes greater than could ever be acheived by oral ingestion of DAA at realistic dosages.  
 
Dont forget that DAA is an endogenous substance with a vital neuroendocrine role.  Its not some toxin that your body makes as a byproduct or something

 

Patrick Arnold;591205
certainly the levels are higher than normal, but they simply do not approach levels (at target areas) seen in studies where NMDA is used as a tool to induce nerve damage
 
you are entitled to your opinion and if you choose to err on the side of caution and not use the product thats fine.  i understand you are not saying "its dangerous" and you are simply asking if i am concerned about the potential.

 

Patrick Arnold
d-serine (and cycloserine) is also an agonist at the NMDA receptors.  The difference is that it is concentrated in tissues other than the endocrine related ones that DAA and NMDA are.  It actually has had alot of research done on it as a treatment for schizophrenia, and at doses of 2-3 grams a day.  It is considered thusfar to be safe.  You could make the same case that you are making here with DAA with this investigational drug.  
 
I just say this so you dont think i am a nut outside the realm of responsible medical science.

Patrick Arnold
NMDA receptors exist throughout the brain.  God (and by god i mean evolution, but god sounds more poignant) didnt put them there to destroy your brain.  He put them there to serve an essential function in regards to learning, memory, sexuality etc. etc.
 
When these receptors are overstimulated then trouble happens.  Just like when serotonin receptors get overstimulated you get serotonin syndrome.  And with dopamine overexcitation you can get mania and psychosis. 
 
So the question is, are we overstimulating the NMDA receptors?  I see no evidence that we are.

Well I was quite hopeful about DAA but it did absolutely nothing for me.

Tha A Jizzle


Well I was quite hopeful about DAA but it did absolutely nothing for me.

Did you use plan DAA - the cheap stuff?

Isnt it all the time?

The ones Ive seen are powder form, 20-25£  for 250-300grams roughly

I don't know about actual test increases as only bloods will reveal those. I recently did a standard 20 day course of DAA at 3g ED and experienced increased libido, aggression and a sense of well-being. I'm as cynical as the next man when it comes to advertising blurb but DAA seemed to do the trick for me.
I don't think it was placebo either as I did not really expect much from such a cheap and simple product. Given the price, I'd say it's worth the risk.

Your not going to see much from a 40% rise anyway.

I have run it twice now - different brands - but am not sure I would go again.

I have used it in PCT and outside of any sort of cycle and besides a possible initial libido boost in the first few days I cannot attribute anything amazing to it - certainly not convinced about strength increases of any sort.

However, something like this may well vary siginifcantly from one user to another and the fact is is not expensive it may be you have to try it to know. I have tried every sort of creatine 2-3x and have never found any benefits from when I have not been but more people then do not will swear by one type or another.

Metzer


Isnt it all the time?

The ones Ive seen are powder form, 20-25£  for 250-300grams roughly

I think plain DAA is very hit and miss for most people. When it comes with Sarcosine results seem better.

PredatorNutrition

Metzer


Isnt it all the time?

The ones Ive seen are powder form, 20-25£  for 250-300grams roughly

I think plain DAA is very hit and miss for most people. When it comes with Sarcosine results seem better.

according to who and based on what pred?

Based on feedback from the forums many seem to not get that much from plain DAA. Henry can fill in the details why better than me so I will leave that for him.

PredatorNutrition


Based on feedback from the forums many seem to not get that much from plain DAA. Henry can fill in the details why better than me so I will leave that for him.

take it away please henry

and not taking anythiing away from the US forums - i just dont believe everything they say so prefer UK sources especially as we are in UK

ta

PredatorNutrition

I think plain DAA is very hit and miss for most people. When it comes with Sarcosine results seem better.

mdm

according to who and based on what pred?

Most of the feedback on DAA seems to be positive. The feedback on our DAA calcium chelate and sarcosine product has been great. I've posted some feedback on our product at your request before (including from one UK user). In addition, here's a couple of guys saying they didn't like plain DAA but enjoyed our product:

"i took bulk DAA for 6 weeks at 5 grams and felt nothing. i switched to [brand removed]  and within 3 days my libido increased. a couple weeks later i felt like i was 16 and horny."

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"To me there are a couple obvious differences between bulk DAA and [brand removed] just from how I feel after taking it. For example, bulk DAA gives me wicked anxiety while [brand removed] doesn't."

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Anecdotally, it seems that there may be more reports of digestive discomfort with bulk DAA than with our chelated DAA as well, though I have nothing to substantiate that.

If you'd like to understand the reasoning behind the addition of sarcosine to potentiate the effects, you can check out this writeup.
[Warning: science] The cliffs are that the NMDA receptors that DAA binds to have two binding sites, and both must be activated by different compounds before the receptor is activated (and the benefits of DAA are seen). DAA attaches to the Glutamate binding site and Sarcosine attaches to the Glycine site, ensuring that the maximal effects will be seen from a given DAA dosage. [see wikipedia for more on NMDA receptors]

the forum is linked to a shop - so at first glance it can only be deemed bias

parick arnold - who ? and since when did we start quote this guys words as gospel


last bit about sarcosine is interesting and cant be discredited but it is written by you guys at E-pharm

i was hoping for feedback from somewehere like uk-m, mt, ugm not random USA sites

rob211080


Your not going to see much from a 40% rise anyway.

40% is a not much? Since when?

Apart from steroid products, what else could raise testosterone beyond that? I doubt any test boosters based on herbs raise it more than a few percent.

guys lets keep this civil - i would like to get a broad range of answers and debate before ww start dismissing stuff

i will be running this v soon and will able to give you my opinion as opposed to running normal lova/clomid pct - how ever I will not be able to truly justify my findings as i have run different meds/stregnth/duration.

Spaceghost1

rob211080


Your not going to see much from a 40% rise anyway.

40% is a not much? Since when?

Apart from steroid products, what else could raise testosterone beyond that? I doubt any test boosters based on herbs raise it more than a few percent.

Go and get some then and when you have finished your 2 week course or whatever it is with DAA you could post your before and after pictures showing your massive gains.

No one said they were expecting massive gains. However a 40% increase in testosterone is a significant amount, and if you can cycle DAA throughout a year then the long term benefits should be noticeable (if DAA really works that well).

Of course if you run steroid cycles then it will be poor in comparison, but the same could be said for any herbal test boosters. I think there are many test boosters that are much more expensive and probably do much less.

People here seem to be using DAA for PCT but I was more interested in using it alone and staying natural.

rob211080

Go and get some then and when you have finished your 2 week course or whatever it is with DAA you could post your before and after pictures showing your massive gains.

We've never suggested our product be used for only two weeks. I think that's silly. Current dosing suggestions are that it can be cycled for up to three months.