Is it a must or not !!

Bigfella, are you a Pro? Doc? Expert? Wizard?...Oh I got it...Your a Genius!

I use pct when I come off for anything more than 6 weeks, I also tend to blast hcg and clomId for 4 weeks now rather than 'cruising'


It's my new approach, I feel it's better.

Sustanon


 Now everyone say that u have to do 500mg test a week to. I started out doing 250mg and seen many others doing the same. And we all did explode and was happy about the results. All this new fansy things i not believe in them.. Thats why !! 

 
Sustanon, this is a question I posed in this thread  - the guy/gym owner could sell me arm fulls of gear & make his money, i'd be happy because i'd grow etc.
 
but he has suggested a lower dose such as 250mg per week as i will grow very well off it & won't be so fuct come the end of it. he says he's always (20+ years) done low dose cycles & rarely feels the need for pct - old school i guess but it's worked for him! He told me about the cycles some of the lads down there take & frankly thinks it's way overboard!
 
my thinking is that 250mg per week is way more than your body would make naturally so you'll make gains! I'm going for the tentative toe dip of 250mg per week to see how i react to it.

Just from my own experience I never did pct or any tapering down of doses towards the end of a course . I never felt I had any problems until some time later finding conceiving difficult . Now people will say sperm levels will return to normal levels after time but in my own case after being off over a year they are still below average levels . It might well be that they were below average levels before even starting gear but my lack of care could of damaged them permanently . For the cost of about £25 for a box of nolva or clomid compared to the £3000 me & the mrs are paying for fertility treatment its so cheap why take the risk of not running it . 

wilf


Just from my own experience I never did pct or any tapering down of doses towards the end of a course . I never felt I had any problems until some time later finding conceiving difficult . Now people will say sperm levels will return to normal levels after time but in my own case after being off over a year they are still below average levels . It might well be that they were below average levels before even starting gear but my lack of care could of damaged them permanently . For the cost of about £25 for a box of nolva or clomid compared to the £3000 me & the mrs are paying for fertility treatment its so cheap why take the risk of not running it . 

 
 
I agree to what u say. And the price to pay for some clom and nolva is not bad at all. I have many friends who have been on gear for years. And them all have 2-3 kids. So to say that we cant make therm girls pregnant is not correct. Maybe u not referring to this. And some might not be so lucky !! 

Sustanon

wilf


Just from my own experience I never did pct or any tapering down of doses towards the end of a course . I never felt I had any problems until some time later finding conceiving difficult . Now people will say sperm levels will return to normal levels after time but in my own case after being off over a year they are still below average levels . It might well be that they were below average levels before even starting gear but my lack of care could of damaged them permanently . For the cost of about £25 for a box of nolva or clomid compared to the £3000 me & the mrs are paying for fertility treatment its so cheap why take the risk of not running it . 

I agree to what u say. And the price to pay for some clom and nolva is not bad at all. I have many friends who have been on gear for years. And them all have 2-3 kids. So to say that we cant make therm girls pregnant is not correct. Maybe u not referring to this. And some might not be so lucky !! 

No don't get me wrong It's still possible for me to conceive naturally just that it is far more unlikely . I also have quite a few mates who have had kids while on far greater amounts of gear than I have ever been on . The thing is with any form of peds you can never really tell how they will affect you until you try them for yourself . Sorry without meaning to waffle on why take the risk of starting with high doses or not doing pct . Like you say some are luckier than others as to how they might react .

I think pct does help recover natty test level faster but I don't think it makes any difference in retaining gains. You will always lose pounds of water when you come off and also if the steroids have taken you beyond what your body is capable of supporting then muscle also.

THE BARBARIAN


I think pct does help recover natty test level faster but I don't think it makes any difference in retaining gains. You will always lose pounds of water when you come off and also if the steroids have taken you beyond what your body is capable of supporting then muscle also.

 
I agree to this. But why do almost everyone say that u will keep more gains. If doing a proper pct if we are not ? Its not a big problem. But when i did read about doing pct for the first time. I was picking up more about keeping gains then recovering from the cycle. So when i did my first pct i was a bit disappointed.

Restoring natural T post cycle is has a major effect on the gains keeping from the cycle, the more Test you have available, the more muscle mass it can support, pretty logical really, if the Test levels didn't matter to muscle support and growth, why would we bother using AAS to elevate them in the first place?
In simple terms, the more anabolic hormones you have available, the more muscle it can support, so recovering to full values as quickly as possible is very important to the amount you can retain.
 
Bigfella.

Thanks for laying it out the way u do Bigfella.

Sustanon

AlexGTR


Ive only been on my PCT for a week and already feeling back to my self so in another 3 weeks should feel awesome.

I would definetly run a PCT always and wouldnt think twice not to.

How old are u and whats ur cycle history ?

Im 25 and in 2nd week of my first cycle's PCT

AlexGTR

Sustanon

AlexGTR


Ive only been on my PCT for a week and already feeling back to my self so in another 3 weeks should feel awesome.

I would definetly run a PCT always and wouldnt think twice not to.

How old are u and whats ur cycle history ?

Im 25 and in 2nd week of my first cycle's PCT

 
 
Thats why u recover so fast i think. Because u are young and new to gear. May i ask how long u was on. And what u did use ? If u did a test only cycle. U will recover much faster then if u did stack it with deca or tren forex. And it depends on how long u was on. And how hard u was shut down.

Sustanon

AlexGTR

Sustanon

AlexGTR


Ive only been on my PCT for a week and already feeling back to my self so in another 3 weeks should feel awesome.

I would definetly run a PCT always and wouldnt think twice not to.

How old are u and whats ur cycle history ?

Im 25 and in 2nd week of my first cycle's PCT

Thats why u recover so fast i think. Because u are young and new to gear. May i ask how long u was on. And what u did use ? If u did a test only cycle. U will recover much faster then if u did stack it with deca or tren forex. And it depends on how long u was on. And how hard u was shut down.

Yeah i reckon it is my age mainly.
 
I was on Sust 300 and 1RIP (Prop/Mast/Tren) for 12 weeks.
 
My balls did shrink quite a bit and i didnt realise how badly they did until they came back to full size. They probably went to under half normal size.
 
2 weeks of HCG @250iu eod sorted that though.

I think what Bigfella said is the most important aspect of PCT.
We need to get our natty test back up to scratch after a cycle, or we risk loosing more gains. If we get it back to normal quick, we risk only loosing minimal ammounts. Its important we know the factors that testosterone plays on our muscles... if we dont have enough testosterone in us, we can only hold onto a certain ammount of muscle. The higher our natural test levels, the more muscle we are likely to keep.

I do not mind when my testicles shrink... After many years of cyceling does it feel normal to me.. And it looks better to then saggy balls. LOL !!