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It's Never Too Late 04 July 2009 00:59 (permalink)
As It Began...

A long time ago I was 18, 5' 8" and skinny as a racing snake. Only one of those three things is still true. I weighed 9 stone and had a physique like a split end. I discovered bodybuilding through my (still) best mate, one of those genetically gifted, talented and naturally cool people that often end up murdered. 2 years go by; I trained as hard as I possibly could in that time and yet despite following all the brilliant advice and routines in Flex I strangely did not become huge. In fact, I gained not one single pound in weight in 2 years.

But somewhere around this time I discovered the word nutrition, though I tried hard to ignore it. Crash Weight Gain powder was my friend, but that didn't work (800 calories? I laugh at thee). Then I discovered Infinity 1700, the most beautiful taste ever invented in the history of mankind and with enough calories that even my lightspeed metabolism had to admit defeat with. I gained weight! I made it to 10 stone, uncharted territory indeed. Later came the irresistible temptation of magic pills and potions, namely Andriol and Winstrol and before you know it I'm 11.5 stone. I felt great and looked ok, although my tiny girly bones told me I would never be huge but I improved enough that people stopped thinking I would die or blow away in a breeze.

Then I took a break from training to concentrate on and complete some exams (idiot) and never got back into training again for more than a few weeks here and there. My metabolism that used to cope with anything appeared to have changed its mind and I gained weight slowly but constantly over the years.

17 years later (holy crap) I reached 16 stone and finally pulled my finger out to do something about it. After many months of running (which I utterly hate) and much more sensible eating I got back down to 13 stone. Stupidly I then relaxed and with a flash I'm 14.5 again. I then remembered those long forgotten days of weight training; joints that don't hurt, knees that don't click when I stand up, feet tendons not sounding like a maraca when I get out of bed in the morning, looking ok and not feeling like a walking time bomb.
So I (we) bought some good gym equipment and began training again; I loved it and made some progress.

But after a while we became I and life moved on again. For a long time I have had a diet of pizzas and beer and pies and crap. But I've had enough now so finally I joined a gym, a real one, with rusty stuff, every type of kit you can think of and full of big stinky blokes. Not one girl in spandex. A good thing in some ways, but I wouldn't mind seeing some skinny girls on the cardio machines some day...anyway...

So here I am, 38, 14 stone, started training on 16th May and apart from a few days in Dublin on the Guinness diet with my beautiful girl I haven't missed a workout. I found this wonderful forum and realised that most of what I knew about training, diet and the gear was rubbish. I've changed my diet drastically from the disaster that it was to a much improved and cleaner diet and have been training hard, following a routine adapted from Cashman's post in the Beginner's forum.

So, six weeks later I write this post. Guess how much weight I've lost...? None. Not a pound. My weights are going up each week and my clothes are starting to look too big but the scales read the same. I keep telling myself that I must be just balancing muscle gain with fat loss but it is hard to believe after so many weeks. I expected to see results on the scales by now, having swapped frozen pizzas for salads, but no luck yet.

I didn't take pictures or measurements before I started and I wish I had now, it could be more reassuring that I'm not still doing it all wrong. So I thought I'd put up a journal instead to enable me to track what I'm doing, get some advice and hopefully make some progress. It's weird to think that the last time I was training regularly there was no internet to refer to....

I've been looking into calorie requirements recently and it appears that my BMR is 1875 and my average TDEE is 2906. I had been aiming at a target of 2400 calories a day over the last few weeks and I achieve anywhere from 1800-2300 each day depending on what I have, So I thought I really would be losing weight unless I'm doing/understanding something very wrong.

I'll put up my routine and attempted diet soon, but at the moment I am too pickled from a BBQ ribs and vodka night out with my mate to do anything that complicated. I'm quite smug that 5 vodkas has got me trashed enough to write this, some things are changing at least! It's rare for me to drink anything these days so tonight's extravagance has knocked me flat, but at least I've got this post made at last...

If you've read this far, well done! Sorry I wasn't funnier though, will try harder tomorrow

 
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    Re:It's Never Too Late 04 July 2009 22:45 (permalink)
    My routine is like this:-

    Monday - Chest/triceps

    Bench press - 4 x 8
    Dips - 4 x 8
    Incline DB flyes - 4 x 8
    Incline DB press - 3 x 8
    Pushdowns - 3 x 8
    30-45 mins cardio

    Tuesday - Back/biceps

    Deadlifts - 4 x 8
    One arm DB rows - 4 x 8
    Pulldowns - 3 x 8
    or Seated rowing - 3 x 8
    EZ barbell curls - 3 x 8
    Hammer curls - 3 x 8
    30-45 mins cardio

    Thursday - Shoulders

    Seated DB press - 4 x 8
    Lateral raises - 4 x 8
    Rear lateral raises - 3 x 8
    Shrugs - 5 x 8
    30-45 mins cardio

    Friday - Legs

    Squats - 4 x 8
    Leg extensions - 4 x 8
    Leg curls - 4 x 8
    Calf raises - 4 x 10
    30-45 mins cardio

     
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      Re:It's Never Too Late 04 July 2009 23:49 (permalink)
      Great intro mate! Best of luck with the progress - take those photo's now! Doesn't matter if you've already made progress, the next few months(years) will show further changes should you keep at it.

      I've got a picture of myself at 17 weighing 11stone and skinning as a rake, now I'm 21, 15stone and slightly less skinny! Does wonders for motivation bud.
       
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        Re:It's Never Too Late 06 July 2009 12:27 (permalink)
        Thank you! Will definitely do pictures soon.

        Yesterday's diet was like this:-

        All night insomnia (very common) so didnt get up until 10.30
        Cornflakes & black coffee, normally is scrambled eggs

        11am oatcake

        12 100g chicken & big salad with cottage cheese

        3pm Fruit juice, 2 satsumas, 2 x protein in a blender, lovely

        5pm 2 oatcakes (I'm weak for these  )

        8pm 200g chicken + mushroom/veg stiry fry, in olive oil, new potatoes. Fish oil capsule

        10.30pm protein in water

        Roughly kcal=1780 carb=120 fat=39 protein=174. This is less than normal but was paying for the lasagne on Saturday
         
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          Re:It's Never Too Late 06 July 2009 14:13 (permalink)
          Hi mate very good introduction,a good read, just one thing i think you might benifit from a couple of changes to your rountine, eg:

          Incline DB Press 4x8
          Flat BB press 4x8
          Weighted Dips 4x8
          rope pull downs 4x8 i find this is more effective at hitting all 3 tricep heads better


          Deadlifts - 4 x 8
          Bent over rows - 4 x 8
          wide grip Pulldowns or wide grip chins - 3 x 8 very good for building good lat width
          EZ barbell curls - 3 x 8

          Also try and change your rep range every other week so for instance if you a benching 60kg for 8 rep after 2 weeks up the reps to 10, then 12 two weeks after.  Then up the weight to some like 70kg and start back at 8 reps.

          I wish you all the best with this mate





           
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            Re:It's Never Too Late 06 July 2009 15:03 (permalink)
            Cheers :) I should have written more clearly what I've been doing. Generally when I get to 8 reps on the last set the weight gets put up for one or all of the sets the next week. So my last set or two I'm normally getting 5-6 and then building it up to 8 again. Slow progress though and my weights are pathetic. Chest/triceps tonight so will be trying to improve on last weeks 35kg bench press and partial body weight dips *shame*

            Same story for pulldowns, nowhere near body weight, but each week I inch a bit closer...

            I'll try increasing reps as you suggest, things are feeling slightly stale now and I feel like a change, just not sure if its too soon to meddle as I'm still making progress?
             
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              Re:It's Never Too Late 06 July 2009 16:02 (permalink)
              personally i always find thats its good to change your routine every 6-10 weeks just to shake things up a bit, plus it never hurts to give your body a shock inbetween rountine with a full body routine for a week or so.


               
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                Re:It's Never Too Late 06 July 2009 23:09 (permalink)
                Finally a workout post, was full of beans tonight :)

                Bench press
                8 @ 30
                8 @ 30
                6 @ 40
                6 @ 40 (back in the 40s at last!)

                Dips
                Bodyweight, half reps, pathetic, but better than last time
                6
                5
                5
                5

                Incline DB flyes
                8 @ 11
                8 @ 11
                8 @ 11
                8 @ 11 (next DBs are 16 and is too big a gap, stuck with these for a while I think)

                Flat DB press
                8 @ 18
                8 @ 18
                7 @ 18 (last time was 16s)

                Pushdowns
                8 @ 45
                8 @ 50
                8 @ 55 (not sure the stack weight is accurate but was a good finish anyway)

                15 minutes rowing
                30 minutes on bike

                 
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                  Re:It's Never Too Late 06 July 2009 23:15 (permalink)
                  FatWallet


                  Finally a workout post, was full of beans tonight :)

                  Bench press
                  8 @ 30
                  8 @ 30
                  6 @ 40
                  6 @ 40 (back in the 40s at last!)

                  Dips
                  Bodyweight, half reps, pathetic, but better than last time
                  6
                  5
                  5
                  5

                  Incline DB flyes
                  8 @ 11
                  8 @ 11
                  8 @ 11
                  8 @ 11 (next DBs are 16 and is too big a gap, stuck with these for a while I think)

                  Flat DB press
                  8 @ 18
                  8 @ 18
                  7 @ 18 (last time was 16s)

                  Pushdowns
                  8 @ 45
                  8 @ 50
                  8 @ 55 (not sure the stack weight is accurate but was a good finish anyway)

                  15 minutes rowing
                  30 minutes on bike


                  good workout man.. keep goin!
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                    Re:It's Never Too Late 07 July 2009 12:03 (permalink)
                    Yesterday's diet went like this:-

                    8am 2 scrambled eggs with skimmed milk, fruit juice, black coffee, protein in water
                    10am oatcake
                    11am oatcake & satsuma
                    12pm 100g chicken & salad, apple, protein in water
                    3pm banana
                    4pm handful of dried fruit & nuts
                    5pm oatcake, protein in water
                    6.15-8pm training
                    9pm 100g wholewheat pasta, red pepper, mushrooms, pasta sauce

                    Approx kcal=2010, carb=169, fat=63, protein=144.

                    I actually slept almost 7 hours without waking up last night, and today I feel like crap. Luckily it's deadlifts tonight, something to wake me up...
                     
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                      Re:It's Never Too Late 07 July 2009 22:56 (permalink)
                      I got to the gym late tonight and very tired but it went well, though too late to face doing cardio by the end.

                      Deadlifts
                      8 @ 30
                      8 @ 50
                      8 @ 60
                      6 @ 70 (personal best!)

                      DB rows
                      8 @ 25
                      8 @ 25
                      8 @ 30
                      8 @ 30 (last 3 pretty bad form)

                      Pulldowns
                      8 @ 3rd thing on stack
                      8 @ 4th
                      5 @ 5th

                      EZ barbell curls
                      7 @ 20 (had to take the collars off afterwards :D)
                      8 @ 20
                      6 @ 20 (this was better last week, maybe because of previous sets improving)

                      Hammer curls
                      8 @ 8
                      8 @ 8
                      8 @ 8 (increase next week)

                      Happy :)
                       
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                        Re:It's Never Too Late 08 July 2009 22:33 (permalink)
                        Today's diet:-

                        8am 2 scrambled eggs, skimmed milk, orange juice
                        10am oatcake, apple
                        11am satsuma
                        12pm 100g chicken salad, protein in water
                        2pm pear (manky), oatcake
                        3pm satsuma
                        4pm banana, oatcake
                        5pm dried apricots, protein in water
                        7pm 250g chicken & mushroom stir fry, fish oil capsule
                        10pm cottage cheese

                        2ltrs water

                        Approx kcal=1750, carb=106, fat=52, protein=173

                         
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                          Re:It's Never Too Late 10 July 2009 16:00 (permalink)
                          Last night was shoulders:-

                          Seated DB press
                          8 @ 11
                          8 @ 11
                          8 @ 11
                          7 @ 16 (up from 5 last week)

                          Lat raises
                          8 @ 8
                          8 @ 8
                          8 @ 8
                          8 @ 8 (can't do the 11s yet)

                          Bent over lat raises
                          8 @ 8
                          9 @ 8
                          8 @ 8

                          Machine shrugs as a test, didn't like it, back to olymbic bar next week
                          5 x 8 reps, weight not shown

                          45 mins on bike

                           
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                            Re:It's Never Too Late 10 July 2009 16:36 (permalink)
                            All looking really good there mate

                             
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                              Re:It's Never Too Late 12 July 2009 10:50 (permalink)
                              Legs yesterday:-

                              Squats
                              8 @ 40
                              8 @ 40
                              8 @ 50
                              5 @ 60 (up from 50 at last)

                              Extensions
                              8 @ 4th plate
                              8 @ 6th plate
                              8 @ 7th plate
                              10 @ 7th plate

                              Leg curls
                              8 @ 4th
                              8 @ 5th
                              8 @ 6th
                              8 @ 6th

                              Calf raises
                              10 @ 100
                              10 @ 120
                              10 @ 130
                              12 @ 140

                              All better than last week so very happy. Late yesterday while moving a huge box I bent all my left fingers backwards. Hand is swollen, knuckles aching like hell and tendons all feel strained so not looking forward to training next week.
                              Plan is chest on Monday, Back on Tuesday, legs on Wednesday, then a few days holiday from Thursday :)
                               
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                                Re:It's Never Too Late 14 July 2009 21:00 (permalink)
                                Well chest on Monday didn't happen, had a bit of vino collapso on Sunday night and made me sick as hell all day. I think it had gone off :)

                                So chest today instead:-

                                Bench press
                                8 @ 30
                                8 @ 30
                                8 @ 40 (yay!)
                                6.9 @ 40 (only just got it back on the rack, near death experience)

                                Dips
                                6 - getting better, almost 3/4 movement now
                                5 - half way again
                                5 - ditto
                                4 - down one from last week but at least it started off better

                                Incline DB flyes
                                8 @ 11
                                10 @ 11
                                10 @ 11
                                10 @ 11 (having to up the reps as can't jump to 16kg yet)

                                Incline DB press
                                8 @ 18
                                8 @ 18 (up one)
                                8 @ 18 (up one)

                                Pushdowns
                                10 @ 9th plate (should have been 10th but I'm stupid)
                                10 @ 11th plate
                                6 @ 13th plate (pushing so hard I scraped my nose on the steel cable and got a black mark :D )

                                30 mins on bike

                                 
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                                  Re:It's Never Too Late 14 July 2009 21:04 (permalink)
                                  Keep that consistancy going matey
                                  Are you enjoying lifting again?
                                   
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                                    Re:It's Never Too Late 14 July 2009 21:16 (permalink)
                                    I am loving it :) its funny how nice it is to feel achey and sore again, and also knowing that I'm moving in the right direction at last. I still need to take some pics, and the sooner the better. Picked up a couple of injuries though, mysterious foot bone problem that I am ignoring, and right bastard of a pain in my left shoulder. Feels weird, like a little tear maybe. Doesn't affect any movements but can feel it all the time so am going to track down a physio about it before I make it worse. It doesn't hurt at all while training which is handy!
                                     
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                                      Re:It's Never Too Late 14 July 2009 21:28 (permalink)
                                      Yes yes yes, get those pictures taken, in 6months you'll be glad you did, if you keep it up the results should be fantastic.
                                       
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                                        Re:It's Never Too Late 14 July 2009 22:12 (permalink)
                                        Todays diet:-

                                        8am muesli & skimmed milk, juice, coffee with coffeemate & sugar (will power failed)
                                        10am satsuma, oatcake
                                        11am apple, oatcake, protein in water
                                        12pm chicken salad + olives
                                        2pm satsuma, oatcake
                                        4pm protein in water
                                        5.30pm shaking on way to gym so had emergency low fat apple snack bar thing
                                        8pm chicken, mushrooms, stir fry in olive oil
                                        9pm cottage cheese, juice
                                        10pm protein in water, fish oil capsule

                                        2 litres water, couple of toxic waste coffees from machine at work

                                        Approx kcal=1699, carb=122, fat=40, protein=136

                                         
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