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Good to meet you today Flick, i would have hung around a bit longer to chat but i had to get home to eat.

Kitty - Chest's or cheats?!

Westy - good to meet you too! Nice posing today - definitely go next month and carry on with that posing!

So... went to BNBF London Club today, kindly hosted by Annie and Lee Ottey.
Got to see Fi in my shoes, and Welshy try on her first comp bikini (her back looks awsome btw), and got to stand in a line up against the fabulously-in-shape Shane Rayomond.
Got some really good posing tips, which I should be able to see the difference with when I start dieting! God I ache! Only did two rounds of quarter-turns and two rounds of compulsories!
 
Left home at 7.15 this morn, and have now got home at 6pm - there's dedication for you!

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The back may look awesome but the bottom half is horrid ! LOL!

So so good to see you today xx

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Yes, and you didn't look too shabby posing either!
Some great shoulders there.
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Welshy not horrid - just where you hold your fat and the lighting is haaarrrrssshhhh ;-)

Fi - thankyou, that's gotta be the best thing I heard all day!
 
Will let you know when I ache tomorrow!

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And you had no tan on welshy
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You two are the bestest ! \o/

Don't forget to let us know where you're aching tomorrow .. hehehe

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Ache ache!!! Right calf (even though I posed both) and biceps hurrah!

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Trained 20mins cardio Sunday (Stairmaster)

Trained 10mins X-Trainer and 10mins Stepper yesterday (Monday)

Today Back and Bi's (as normal) and going to take some of Lee and Annie's tips of Biceps - focusing more on them than Back...

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LOL, I did mean cheAts!! Just read my own post when I first came into the thread and wondered what the hell I was on about!!!

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TRAINED Back and Bi's today, but not great as I feel like I'm coming down withe a virus...
Underhand grip Assisted Chins
30kgs 12 reps
20kgs 12 reps
10kgs 8 reps

Underhand grip Barbell Bent over Row
20kgs 15 reps
40kgs 12 reps
50kgs 12 reps

Reverse Incline Barbell Curl
17.5kgs 12 reps
20kgs 10 reps
22.5kgs 8 reps

Overhead Cable Curl
5kgs e.s. 12 reps
6.25kgs e.s. 10 reps
7.5kgs 6 reps, 6.25kgs 5 reps, 5kgs 6 reps

Stepper Level 6 Random, 20 mins

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Hope it doesn't hit you hard and you recover soon x

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not another virus in here!  maybe we should quarantine you!  plenty of rest, and back of the training for a few days, to give your body a better chance to fight it off

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A coldsore's come up to rear it's ugly head... Think I'm just run down, whenever I travel to and from club/seminars I always get ill :-(

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Oh noooo *big squishy hugs*

Hope it ****s off soon x

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Ooo, nooo, rest up huni
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Trained Chest last night and did 15mins Stepper

Cardio day today 20mins Stepper, Random L7
                            15 mins X-Trainer, Random L8

Seeing Karen tomorrow - hope she sees changes in me!!!

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oooh, nervous for you!

im sure you will be fine though, you have been working hard!

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I'm really flocking nervous - she deals with UKBFF Champs - I'm just little old me and she has high expectations... EEK!!!!

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yes she does, and shes very good! 

i dont think she would have taken you on if she didnt think you had the potential to do very well!

and the fear will keep you on track!  lol

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It normally does...! One of my clients was amazed that I have a 'trainer' of sorts, I said "I need to be kept on track just like you guys!" which made her feel better :-)

Training legs and doing some cardio today

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Good luck today! Hope you come back with good news... I'm sure you will x

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Well it was tough today... I was actually really emotional! Had a big heart-to-heart, I was 100% honest (which was really really tough), and was lovely to have Carl there with me to listen and support.

Consensus was whilst I've gained good size on my top half, I still need more to stop me looking bottom heavy when I diet down, I'm really gonna have to go for it.

We've set a weight target of definite U55kgs to be hit for me - needed for NPA as I'd still look teeny as a Heavyweight!

So... plan is as follows until Canada on March 1st
1. No leg training
2. 20mins a.m. cardio in workout days (none PWO)
3. No cheat meals (so I've had my last pizza tonight)
4. Food cleaned up as follows:

Meal 1 50g Oats, Banana/Grapefruit, Scoop Whey
Meal 2 120g Chicken/Tuna, 40g brown rice, tsp oil
Meal 3 same as above
Meal 4 same as above
Meal 5 PWO Shake
Meal 6 140g Salmon/Steak, 40g brown rice

No more cottage cheese or oatcakes! :-( It's good practise for when I get back and start proper dieting when I already know, no evening carbs and pretty much the same food!

So, because no Leg training, split will be as follows
1 Back+Traps
2 Shoulders
3 OFF
4 Chest+Abs
5 Arms

CAN'T WAIT!!!!

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All sounds really positive .. RAAAAAAAAAAH !!

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So is Karen saying you have too much muscle on your legs? Just trying to understand the approach on no leg training.....not even lighter weight, higher reps or not even just leaving out compounds????

LOL, I know it will suit you as I know you don't like training legs

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well, sounds like a hard but productive day, and i would say that its been very positive.  you already knew legs were ahead of the rest of you.

i really liker her plan that shes given you, excited to see you follow it!

kitty- from others i have known do similar, it is to really concentrate on bringing the best balance possible, i know she places alot of importance on that.  not training legs will allow all the food eaten to go into building the upper body, and a small amount of loss if it happens in the legs for now to focus on balance over out of proportion mass. 

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MMm, interesting, well done chuck!
Glad you had a good, honest and supported session.
Looking forward to seeing your progress
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Dazc only the case if Flick is carrying excess muscle there and it's not just BF!

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Dazc only the case if Flick is carrying excess muscle there and it's not just BF!

true!  do you think perhaps thats not the case?
 
karen has a very good eye, so i just presumed that must be the case, that come show day she would be bottom heavy, going from where she is now.  but then i think you have seen flick recently?
 
 

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Not knocking Karen and her input at all and no I haven't seen Flick recently which is why I was asking if Karen thought she had too much muscle there. Genuinely just curious . I'm interested in the concept behind the thought/process.

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Dazc you're spot on, she was saying if I'm putting all my oomph into recovering after a leg session (which normally takes 3 days for DOMS to go) then I may as well lay off training and use recovery for upper body only.

I did say I'd done high reps before and it'd not really yielded much difference. The best results I've had have been through riding my bike.

She said she could see the muscle/hardness in my legs when I flex them now, and when dieted down they're still likely to be bigger than my upper bod (mainly because even though I've got width, there's not as much mass there to my Shoulder's Bi's). So I may as well stop training 'em a) so they can stop growing, cos they have been, I've measure them in off-season and b) so I can use recovery time for my upper bod instead.

We've tried everything else over the years!

Cardio will now be Incline Walking on the treadmill. Just for next 4 weeks, then re-evaluate again post-Canada :-)
So a.m. cardio done this morning, then brekkie and clients, now having a nap before Shoulders at 4pm!

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Must admit I,m with Kitty on this one I do find it very strange, but, again, if it works for you go with it!!

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Dazc you're spot on, she was saying if I'm putting all my oomph into recovering after a leg session (which normally takes 3 days for DOMS to go) then I may as well lay off training and use recovery for upper body only.

I did say I'd done high reps before and it'd not really yielded much difference. The best results I've had have been through riding my bike.

She said she could see the muscle/hardness in my legs when I flex them now, and when dieted down they're still likely to be bigger than my upper bod (mainly because even though I've got width, there's not as much mass there to my Shoulder's Bi's). So I may as well stop training 'em a) so they can stop growing, cos they have been, I've measure them in off-season and b) so I can use recovery time for my upper bod instead.

We've tried everything else over the years!

Cardio will now be Incline Walking on the treadmill. Just for next 4 weeks, then re-evaluate again post-Canada :-)
So a.m. cardio done this morning, then brekkie and clients, now having a nap before Shoulders at 4pm!

im just one person, and nothing of note in this sport, so my opinion maybe of little merit, BUT i think its definately worth trying, and i fully agree with what shes advised you to do!
 
 

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Daz I have 30 years in this sport of ours and nothing but nothing is black and white!!different strokes for different folks and all that!!

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i know mate, but sometimes i worry that when expressing an opinion others will see it as someone thinking they know everything, so best to acknowledge thats definately not the case sometimes!  lol

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at a guess i would say leg training will be back later in the prep

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You will be fine flick, as long as you trust the person prepping you then there is no problem at all.  

and of course you have plenty time, so if things need to change you have the time to do it.

Dazc, you only learn through asking questions. This is a new concept to me, I'm not knocking it as I don't understand the reasoning behind it. I'm unsure still (thanks for the explaination Flick) but I'm sure the results will reveal whether it works or not.

I see Flick has having a similar general physique to myself (apart from she has a nicer bottom, bitch ). My legs are bigger and better than my upper body but they do carry more fat too. Even though they are bigger now with BF I can still see the outline of the quads but I wouldn't stop training them BUT I've never tried so don't know if what Flick is doing would also work for me

I await with baited breath

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Kitty when you did stop training your legs (in July I thought you said in your journal) - what was the process behind that?

I'm really excited, and looking forward to being able to split arms away from everything else, it should give some added push into my workouts :-) The nice thing is now I can feel what's actually muscle beneath the fat, I'm convinced there's a lot there compared to most females and definitely more than my upperbod (grow you basta** grow!!!)

We actually had a chat yesterday about me previously being influcenced by others' opinions and how I can be swayed - I don't feel like that anymore which is great. People change their opinions all the time. In 2008 when I did Ketone, lots of people said "Oh no, don't do that, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole" - only for same people to now totally endorse it!!! And my now saying 'It's not for me t all'...

I think you're all opinionated, especially me ;-) and anyone who's ever competed has something to contribute, so carry on doing so! I think the most important thing is to believe 100% in what you're doing and it'll take you far.
I 100% believe in this, and even if it doesn't work, I don't believe it'll set me back either :-) It's nice to know so many are actually reading to be honest!!!!

Kits for the record, I've never seen you as bottom heavy at all!!!! Hopefully, dieted down, to my POTENTIAL, I'll end up with proportions similar to yours! Then I can join the pro ranks too!

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