Anybody used this? apparently it' supposed to be a clone of ergomax.

yes, it is a clone product falling somewhere between ErgoMax & Phera Plex

Run a search ('Juggernaut' for correct spelling ), plenty of threads

im in my 3rd week of this at 40mg a day and so far its good stuff,my strength has increased and im up 9lbs well worth a try for the money. got mine from cheap uk supplements.

cheers chaps, I will get some for when I go back in cycle.

Deathscape if i remember correctly you were on a pp cycle how did it go? any effect on the hair line?

It went great, very little sides lots of gains especially strength wise.. As for the hair loss well I lost my hair at 21 so that didn't affect me. I would recommend pp to anyone.

and what about pct...?

Current PBs:

Bench - 120
Oly Squat - 170kg
Deadlift - 227.5kg

2007 Goals:

Bench - 130kg
Oly Squat - 170kg (done! w00t)
Deadlift - 220kg (done and then some...)

any sort of numbers weight gain? strength gain on big 3 or equivelent?

my order of methyl plex got caught up in customs might get sent back so i'll have to re order. meaning i have more time to research it more

meat 05 how heavy are you? Did you start off on 40mg? How long are you running it for?

I've just finished week 1 on 20mg, no sides with a little strength gain so far. Was planning on upping to 30mg and running for upto 6 weeks.

im 17 stone at the moment ive done plenty of cycles on aas and thought id give this a try after reading some good reviews on it,i started straight on 40mg a day the first 10 days not much happened but in the second week it started making a difference its a good product,but remember this is a steroid and a strong one u must have pct in order and a liver protectant.

Cheers mate. I'm not exactly a newbee. Done a few AAS myself and decided to try this as a possible frontloader to sust, but your advice is still appreciated. 40mg a day seems a bit much saying it only recommends 20mg max. On saying that I'm planning on upping it to 30mg. How long are you going run it for?

i dont recommend any one else using 40mg a day im doing it because im experienced enough to know my body and how it reacts to methylated orals. if you are in the same boat kraven i would say 30mg would be fine for u,there are people in my gym running 150mg a day of strong orals like anadrol or dbol but they are asking for trouble. the effects of md2 is similair to a low dose of dbol or a moderate dose of tbol, it is in my opinion better than winny. i will run this cycle for a month do my pct get myself checked out then do another month. i will be using tamoxifen for pct,if u cannot get it i recommend long jack herb also known as tongkat ali this stuff is truely amazing it is a powerful herb that raises the amount of test in the body. many people swear by it for pct,you can get it on e bay.

I've got plenty of nolva on hand mate. I'm trying to get away from dbol as my cheap oral of choice as I've started suffering from sides(hair loss and sore nips)even at low doses. So far no sides on MD2. infact my left nipple which is always a bit sensitive feels better.

Never tried tbol but winny for me was a waste. You feel this is a good comparison to it?
M1t felt like a strong version of winny to me,no water gains and made me feel hard.


150mg a day. That was a weeks supply for me.

Did a search on tongkat before. Didn't like the results. Most western supplies are supposed to be inferior products (that's the impression I got from my research).
Will run nolva, ZMA and fenugreek.

i feel this is far better than winny even better than dbol as the sides are less. its a very effective product the gains are dry and quality,im very impressed so far,this is dmt or madol whatever u want to call it. it was used by many top athletes before it was launched as a supplement,im amazed its been allowed to be sold over the counter it comes with no information about pct or liver damage and the ingredients stated on the tub is a smokescreen. but as long as we know the effects its fine but im sure there are many teenagers out there popping these pills with no clue as to what they are using. u are right about the tongkat if u purchase it make sure it comes from maylasia or singapore as the western version is as u stated inferior.

When you say checked out I take it you mean liver values. Let me know how you get on Meat.

im seeing the doc next week it will of been exactly a month at 40mg a day. ive been using liv 52 and drinking a ton of water i will let u know if the amount i have used has effected my liver values but i doubt very much that it has. better safe than sorry though.

you must have an understanding doc or do you use some excuse for a liver function check?

hey guys, interesting stuff on md2 have looked at it a few times but could never make up my mind, but it sounds like good stuff! any sides in terms of loss of libido? was just considering getting some more dbol but might give the md2 a run! good info meat05 keep it coming.

"to be number one,train as if you are number two"

thanks mate. it is well worth a try for the money no loss of libodo on this its not overly androgenic i havent got oily skin or acne. the ingredients in this i suppose u cant really compare to a steroid u could compare the gains but the actual compound is unique. its derived from a pheromone that has been altered to give anabolic effects.it was used by canadian sprinters before it was marketed as a supplement all be it under a false name. the substance in this is a steroid called madol or dmt it is on the ioc list of banned substances take a look on their web site its there along side the likes of dbol or tren.its a steroid and a strong one. i prefer it to superdrol and thats an excellent product to.

does it give you any painfull pumps?

i cant do SD anymore because the pumps hurt to much training (mma) but i still wanna gain some extra mass and i have some of this already

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