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Just being paranoid?
05 March 2010 21:29
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I've ran 2 cycles of Hdrol and 1 of Superdrol in the past with nothing but the desired effects. No gyno, possibly aggravated MPB... For the past 7 months I've been on 1mg daily of Finasteride. My recent batch was held at customs longer than usual so I was without the drug for approx 3 weeks... During this "off" time my left peck, not immediately behind the nipple but more to the left side of it, started hurting when pressed against. Not a painful hurt but definitely a feeling not occurring with the right peck. It appeared to be worse for the first week “off” this drug but then gradually eased off. Since then I can't help but feel for lumps everyday! Looking in a mirror, it looks fine. Exactly like the other side without any puffiness and this little lump I can feel isn't protruding through the skin. I'm expecting some Nolvadex by the end of this week as it's made me far too paranoid. I don't really want to take the nolva if it's not necessary. Could it just be a fatty deposit? My right peck has one too but it's slightly smaller and doesn't ache if I press against it. I don't know, some days it feels fine, other days I wonder. I'm back on the Finasteride now so perhaps that'll help it subside... Would you advise 20/20/20 of Nolva to be on safe side? Thank you *Apologies if this is in the wrong section
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Re:Just being paranoid?
05 March 2010 22:26
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Maybe all the poking has caused some tissue to swell mate? If you are prodding around on sensitive area's like the nipples, it is likely to aggrivate it and possibly cause a little lump, as it is not used to having this kind of pressure in this area. I'm not sure how finasteride would play a part in causing/reducing gyno? but I didn't think it had any effect on it? With regard to the nolva, if you are going to take it (which you should if you beleive it is gyno) if you just take 20mg per day until the lump goes, that will be fine.
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Re:Just being paranoid?
05 March 2010 22:53
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If you think taking finasteride will make gyno disappear I am afraid you have it the wrong way down as it is, in fact, likely to cause it. I think the idea of using an SERM to combat it, while okay in the short term, is not something which is wise is the long run. As much as anything creating a hormonal environment of lowered DHT and loweren estrogen is likely to impact in a negative way on LBM gains.
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Re:Just being paranoid?
06 March 2010 00:57
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PredatorNutrition If you think taking finasteride will make gyno disappear I am afraid you have it the wrong way down as it is, in fact, likely to cause it. I think the idea of using an SERM to combat it, while okay in the short term, is not something which is wise is the long run. As much as anything creating a hormonal environment of lowered DHT and loweren estrogen is likely to impact in a negative way on LBM gains. Agreed!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re:Just being paranoid?
06 March 2010 12:13
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PredatorNutrition If you think taking finasteride will make gyno disappear I am afraid you have it the wrong way down as it is, in fact, likely to cause it. I'm aware of this, as it'll elevate levels of free test thus more estrogen... I'm assuming the absence of Finasteride caused hormonal disruptions which hopefully will return back to "normal" now that I'm back on it. None the less, I very much appreciate your advice (and yours Skullcrusher & em dubya). I'll perhaps hold out for 2 weeks or so and keep an eye on it. Give a chance for my system to re-adjust to the drug. The Nolva will remain on standby for now. Thanks again
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Re:Just being paranoid?
06 March 2010 12:29
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No probs matey... just don't leave it too long, if there is a lump and isn't going now that your back on the finasteride, start nolva asap.
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Re:Just being paranoid?
06 March 2010 12:31
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b5l4ll PredatorNutrition If you think taking finasteride will make gyno disappear I am afraid you have it the wrong way down as it is, in fact, likely to cause it. I'm aware of this, as it'll elevate levels of free test thus more estrogen... I'm assuming the absence of Finasteride caused hormonal disruptions which hopefully will return back to "normal" now that I'm back on it. None the less, I very much appreciate your advice (and yours Skullcrusher & em dubya). I'll perhaps hold out for 2 weeks or so and keep an eye on it. Give a chance for my system to re-adjust to the drug. The Nolva will remain on standby for now. Thanks again Actually it is not the elevation of test leading to more estrogen that is the only issue but the absence of DHT which has strong anti-estrogenic effects as well. I think when it comes to hairloss you are better off accepting nature or combating it with non-hormonal strategies. When it comes to your sex life and you notice effects there, you may reconsider!
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Re:Just being paranoid?
06 March 2010 16:44
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PredatorNutrition When it comes to your sex life and you notice effects there, you may reconsider! ^^ I've not experienced any negative effects regarding this. Been on the drug for approx 8 months now and my Libido is still the same if not higher I've taken some photos just now and compared with googled ones of what gyno looks like. I don't think I have it just yet, a friend of mine had it from puberty and I recall his entire nipple region being puffy... Please bare in mind I'm holding quite a lot of fat at the mo and as of last week, started an ECA stack cycle with a decrease of calories in my diet. Also 60 mins Interval Training 5 days per week. Hopefully you'll notice no puffy nipples and (from the front shot) what seems to be a little fat... also, taking the shots myself so pecs aren't relaxed - http://img710.imageshack.us/i/s6000001.jpg/ http://img534.imageshack.us/i/s6000004.jpg/ http://img175.imageshack.us/i/s6000005.jpg/
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Re:Just being paranoid?
07 March 2010 00:26
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b5l4ll PredatorNutrition When it comes to your sex life and you notice effects there, you may reconsider! ^^ I've not experienced any negative effects regarding this. Been on the drug for approx 8 months now and my Libido is still the same if not higher Be warned - this effect can be quite insidious and it is not just libido but lowered sensation which many long term users report. Less aggression and increased bodyfat are other issues Proscar can cause quite reliably... I've taken some photos just now and compared with googled ones of what gyno looks like. I don't think I have it just yet, a friend of mine had it from puberty and I recall his entire nipple region being puffy... Please bare in mind I'm holding quite a lot of fat at the mo and as of last week, started an ECA stack cycle with a decrease of calories in my diet. Also 60 mins Interval Training 5 days per week. Hopefully you'll notice no puffy nipples and (from the front shot) what seems to be a little fat... also, taking the shots myself so pecs aren't relaxed - http://img710.imageshack.us/i/s6000001.jpg/ http://img534.imageshack.us/i/s6000004.jpg/ http://img175.imageshack.us/i/s6000005.jpg/ I cannot say with authority, but it does not appear to be gyno. The best way to tell would be looking for lumpiness/pain beneath the nipple area.
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Re:Just being paranoid?
07 March 2010 06:54
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PredatorNutrition Be warned - this effect can be quite insidious and it is not just libido but lowered sensation which many long term users report. Less aggression and increased bodyfat are other issues Proscar can cause quite reliably... PredatorNutrition I cannot say with authority, but it does not appear to be gyno. The best way to tell would be looking for lumpiness/pain beneath the nipple area. That's good enough for me! There is no lump directly behind the nipple, nor is it sensitive to touch... There is something there though so what I'll do is run the Nolva until it hopefully clears up. If it remains, I'll ignore it as it's hidden away at the moment. I can't truthfully say Finasteride has been of any major benefit to me... even 8 months after its use. I believe the general consensus is if it doesn't work within one year, then it probably won't at all for the individual. Would rather not end up with Gyno! Due to go Ibiza at the end of July so that'd really cause problems for me! Once again, thanks mate and thanks for taking the time to have a look at my pics. Your input's much appreciated
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