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Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 21 February 2010 19:50 (permalink)
No. I think the MIB also wants to manipulate them for his own personal gain. He found Sawyer when he was vulnerable(drunk, detached and just lost Juliet). Although Both Jacob and the MIB manipulate, they do it in different ways - Jacob puts them on the right track, whereas the MIB manipulates them with different faces, or kills them. Just 'cause Jacob heals doesn't mean he's a good guy. I don't think either of them are good because it's being put into your face too much of "good and bad".

Scratch part of that. The MIB can freely kill people that aren't "candidates".

I wanna know what happens if he breaks the "rules" and who enforces them. I don't think Jacob enforces them as they are equals.
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    Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 21 February 2010 19:58 (permalink)
    Thoroughly enjoy Lost and look forward to each new episodes. Plenty of it makes me go OMFG in a good way, and then other times you just think WTF in a bad way.

    Hard to judge it until the story is told. I really follow it pretty well, and i'm not one of the Lostpedia / online forums people who go over and over every little detail, or changes that could be intended, or could simply be unintentional continuation cockups.

    I'm along for the ride and am enjoying it.

    Still not as good as The Shield, The Sopranos, or The Wire.

    Maybe they should have tried to win me over by calling it The Lost
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      Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 21 February 2010 19:59 (permalink)
      Really unimpressed with this series so far tbh, just hope it gives a satisfactory conclusion now...

       
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        Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 21 February 2010 20:14 (permalink)
        Kaneda


        Really unimpressed with this series so far tbh, just hope it gives a satisfactory conclusion now...


        Be gone with you.
         
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          Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 21 February 2010 20:29 (permalink)
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          Kaneda


          Really unimpressed with this series so far tbh, just hope it gives a satisfactory conclusion now...


          Be gone with you.


          hahaha

           
           
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            Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 19:13 (permalink)
            walkie


            If you're not up to date my post may contain spoilers

            watched every single one (so far)

            It is without a doubt the best series I have ever seen on TV.

            People think they lost the plot half way through, or even at the beginning, but if you were to go back their are lots of referrances to whats going on now.

            It's got a massive religious undertone to it, light vs dark. Jacob and his brother (God & the Devil) Jesus and his disciples....

            What's your theory then?


            Exactly walkie, when people still ask me why I am watching it, its because i had faith the answers would be provided when everyone got confused for a few seasons lol.

            As you see religion, I see something more toward the lines of Taoism especially with the black and white balance.

            I'll explain more in my theory:

            The black and white, light and dark however you want to view this duality that first appeared in season 1, when locke was playing backgammon with walt and holds up each coloured piece and tells him something to the effect of "this is the oldest game in the world right upto the most recent episode where flocke (fake-locke) throws the white rock into the sea is imo a display of balance not necessarily a battle

            There has been a strong theme of dualities from episode one and very much likened to the yingyang of taoism, in that one force is present in another, there cannot be one without the other, the symbol is black and white, just like the various references through the 6 seasons.

            In that we see flocke and Jacob, each their own blend of force that makes for a balance that has kept the island hidden, protected etc for however many hundreds or years they have been there. Neither is necessarily bad or good, but it is in the presence of both and only then is a balance achieved, obviously this is a higher law larger than both of them as flocke warned jacob when we saw the black rock approaching he would find a loophole to kill him.

            The balance can indeed shift, but it is never truly one force only.

            However what I believe flocke intends to do is eradicate one force for total power, how he will do this is by killing or recruiting Jacobs 6 remaining candidates as we saw on the cave ceiling in the last episode. I believe without at least one of these living or unable to host Jacob, flocke will rule absolutely and be able to leave the island or achieve whatever his aims are.

            Either way, despite their ways of manipulation there seems to be one presiding rule; free will must reign supreme. Neither jacob or flocke has ever forced a candidate into a decision, pushed yes, but not made.

            I could babble on forever but I'll wrap up my theory with this.

            Flocke told sawyer he was once a normal man, just like him, I believe that the candidates are used to replace the existing vessels being used for balance when the right 'ones' come along.

            In this case I believe Sawyer to be flockes and Jack to be Jacobs. My chips are thrown in, the series will end much like season 5 did, with Jack and Sawyer watching a boat or plane head toward the Island, realising the gravity of it all and Sawyer promising to kill him one way or another.

            Like Jacob said, its always a cycle. To me, given the names of the people on the ceiling crossed off, many candidates were brought to the island over the years with only perhaps Richard being suitable, however the majority of whom were crossed off.

            We assumed they were the powers of the island, however i now believe the island, perhaps the little bleeding boy apparition or some higher power chooses two polar opposites to achieve the balance needed.

            Much like flocke could not kill Jacob directly, ben could not kill whitmore when he entered his room with a gun pointed at his head.

            Just like there was a method to the numbers, the rules will no doubt be uncovered soon.



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              Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 19:17 (permalink)
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              danchubbz


              SPOILER ALERT (I would add this in the title BTW)

              who do u guys thinks taken over Lock's body then?


              It's Jacobs brother aka 'The Devil' (imo)

              Jacob dressed in white, brother dressed in black, white and black rock on the scales, the balance of light and dark, Jacob dead, white rock tossed out to sea, dark / devil / evil has triumphed (for now)

              Also Siad's reincarnation, almost like being baptised under water to 'drive out the devil', i believe has brought in the devil. Hence the chinese guy wanting to poison him


              Yeah its the man in black or smokey from the season 5 finale. He is able to take the form of anyone dead on the Island, Christian, Ecko's brother, Bens daughter etc.

              I think the case with syiad is that he was on the list of candidates that was in the ankh from the guitar case, the ritual did not go as planned, he is not Jacobs protector nor his vessel and therefore must be a candidate for flocke hence wanting to kill him.

              This may have also been a double edged sword, killing a threat, but a test for Jack who the master of the temple has spoken English too and shown respect for since they arrived despite his obvious disdain for the others.
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                Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 19:21 (permalink)
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                I don't think Jacob, or the other guy are really good, or evil. I think they're just doing things for themselves, acting like children over having the island to themselves. Also why would the MIB(man in black) be another protector of the island(smokey) if he was bad? 

                You also see how the island doesn't actually matter in what would've happened, as it's sunken. In other words, Jacob has manipulated people into thinking the island has some sort of significance to what goes on, when really it has no importance to the world. Which is why in Desmond's flash forward(last season, or the one before), the woman was stressing how he 'has' to go to the island. Mad, old cow. It's just a game, really.


                Agreed. Both of them are protectors but that doesnt necessarily mean both are willing.

                Just like locke was willing at all costs to stay and protect the Island, Jack at all costs wanted to go home.

                There are huge differences in the world without the Island having touched them, sure they all cross each others paths, but we have seen this in no negative way as of yet. Hell even hugos lottery win is bringing him good fortune.

                As for the sunken Island foot did anyone notice the ankh right next to it that isnt there in the other universe / timeline?
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                  Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 19:24 (permalink)
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                  Really unimpressed with this series so far tbh, just hope it gives a satisfactory conclusion now...


                  And the winner for this years sweeping statement without any substance or justification goes to......

                  What arent you impressed about? In 4 eps what could they have done to impress you more?

                  Chunk doing a cameo from the goonies to do the truffle shuffle at the temple gates so they let him in? Desmonds time travelling old lady friend turning up with a 70's hoover and sucking smokey up? Hurley pulling off bens facemask to reveal walts dog only for him to declare "and id have gotten away with it to if it wasent for you pesky kids!!".


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                    Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 21:28 (permalink)
                    Wicked reading Mr Slinger,

                    I am liking the theories, also reminded me about a lot of points too. It certainly holds up pretty well to all we have seen!


                     
                     
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                      Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 21:42 (permalink)
                      both of your theories are interesting, tbh i have been a bit baffled and i sometimes overlook things such as the throwing of the white stone from the scales. its like i notice it, but i'm waiting for the bigger picture. i'm probably just a bit thick lol.

                      so.... i will come back to this thread after each episode and let you guys tell me all about what i have just seen


                       
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                        Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 22:05 (permalink)
                        here is my guess at how the alternative/parallel universe pans out...

                        so far everyone is meeting each other from the island but in the USA...but with more emphasis on locke??

                        Ben has made an appearance in the school Locke has started work in.
                        Hurley got Locke this job via his new company where that black woman (name escapes me) was the supervisor.
                        Jack gave Locke the business card for a consultation...

                        i think everyone ends up getting back on that damn plane and crashing on the island. No matter what happens, they always get to that island.

                        I believe that jack gets locke walking again and locke goes back to oz for the walkabout he missed out on.
                        Jack goes back to oz to get his dad....again.
                        Claire finds out about Jack being his brother and goes with him to get their dad
                        Hugo goes home to see his folks.
                        Boon tries again to get his sister probably after locke convincing him later in the series not to give up.

                        dunno about the rest... i can just picture it being one of those endings






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                          Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 22 February 2010 22:49 (permalink)
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                          Exactly walkie, when people still ask me why I am watching it, its because i had faith the answers would be provided when everyone got confused for a few seasons lol.


                          Well, I am currently downloading eps 1-4 but I never had the same faith you had for one simple fact:
                          I don't think the writers knew where it was going a couple of seasons ago.

                          It reminds me of the preachers in the Life of Brian: "He's making it up as he goes along".

                          Lost isn't as bad for this as a show like Heroes, for example, which didn't seem to know where it was going last time I watched.
                          But I think it did flounder a bit.
                          Although S5 was pretty good.

                          Looking forward to watching these once the have dl'd.


                           
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                            Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 23 February 2010 00:55 (permalink)
                            They wrote all of the major events including the ending when they wrote the first season, the only reason it wasent dropped mid season 3 was because the station had seen the masterplan, it was at this point JJ Abrahams sort of distanced himself from the project, of course now hes back on board.
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                              Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 23 February 2010 01:09 (permalink)
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                              here is my guess at how the alternative/parallel universe pans out...

                              so far everyone is meeting each other from the island but in the USA...but with more emphasis on locke??

                              Ben has made an appearance in the school Locke has started work in.
                              Hurley got Locke this job via his new company where that black woman (name escapes me) was the supervisor.
                              Jack gave Locke the business card for a consultation...

                              i think everyone ends up getting back on that damn plane and crashing on the island. No matter what happens, they always get to that island.

                              I believe that jack gets locke walking again and locke goes back to oz for the walkabout he missed out on.
                              Jack goes back to oz to get his dad....again.
                              Claire finds out about Jack being his brother and goes with him to get their dad
                              Hugo goes home to see his folks.
                              Boon tries again to get his sister probably after locke convincing him later in the series not to give up.

                              dunno about the rest... i can just picture it being one of those endings


                              nah no more ephasis on locke imo than on claire and her birth and kate. Going full cycle in the theme of the whole show, we are treated once again to their back stories, this time with an alternate take.

                              Its a decent theory but one id have to disagree on for the simple premise that there have been many "losties" on the island, the black rock, the french team, Ecko's lot, Henry Gale, Desmond etc, all over a massive time scale.

                              Whilst i think the cycle of candidates being drawn to the island is reoccurring or progress as jacob puts it, our particular losties imo are just that, another cycle until 2 candidates are found to replace the current holders of the island.

                              We arent even sure if the alternate reality we are seeing is down to anything they have done on the island, it could simply being showing us another timeline where the plane didnt crash but regardless the theme of free will is an illusion as they are destined to meet and entwine with each other regardless of Jacob influencing them.

                              One thing that does support your theory though, the adam and even Jack found whilst looking for water in season 1, a black woman and a white man holding white and black stones. The only relevance this could have at all is rose and bernard. If so, then that would imply they had indeed been there in a previous cycle.

                              Another theory is, they were the mummified remains of the previous guardians.

                              One thing i did notice though, in the last season finale, when rose and bernard are at peace in the jungle drinking tea, rose tries her best to dissuade julliet from going on the mission that would eventually kill her, but again free will is exercised. Its clear in that scene, rose and bernard are either dead and being impersonated or know something we dont.

                              Of course theres many things that we wont see answered imo such as:
                               
                              The massive green bird that flies around screaming hurley (2 appearences i believe)
                              The shack, the relevance of the painting and its purpose if not jacobs home
                              The fact all hair brushes from the luggage disappeared
                              The whispers
                              Ecko's interaction with smokey, first no conflict, second smashed to pieces 
                              Walt
                              Claires special baby
                              The whole fertility thing
                              Whitmore and the time control lady in the grand scheme
                              The purpose of the various stations and animal testing
                              Ben being able to call on smokey, yet having the fence to protect his people
                              etc
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                                Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 06 March 2010 23:36 (permalink)
                                come on then theorists, lets bump this thread to discuss the latest episodes.
                                 
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                                  Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 06 March 2010 23:45 (permalink)
                                  IMO, Eko was killed after his name was written off the list of "candidates". 


                                  I think we shall be getting a Jacob/ MIB flashback near the end of the series to explain a lot. I think we shall get a Richard flashback as well as he's very old. I'm not sure where you are all up to, so I'll leave it there for now. 
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                                    Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 07 March 2010 09:23 (permalink)
                                    I am forgetting what's happened in the past.
                                    I take it Jin doesn't know that Aaron is fine?
                                    But he does know that he wasn't with the others, and was being looked after at the beach?
                                    Just wondering why he didn't stop Claire by telling her that.

                                    Oh, and I assume that if people are contributing to this thread they are up to date with british TV episodes, as it does say spoiler.


                                     
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                                      Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 07 March 2010 09:54 (permalink)
                                      Not read any of the recent posts as I am watching Lost tonight, so I'll catch up with this thread tomorrow!

                                      Until next we meet,

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                                        Re:**LOST final season offical thread** 07 March 2010 11:44 (permalink)
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                                        IMO, Eko was killed after his name was written off the list of "candidates". 


                                        I think we shall be getting a Jacob/ MIB flashback near the end of the series to explain a lot. I think we shall get a Richard flashback as well as he's very old. I'm not sure where you are all up to, so I'll leave it there for now. 


                                        Yup, pretty much. The MIB cannot kill any candidate.

                                        A Richard episode will pretty much reveal everything not least the enigma behind the man himself.

                                        I think we'll get one in around 5 eps.
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