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Liver support on orals 01 February 2012 11:19 (permalink)
 
wondered if anyone knew whether the way orals, say anavar is absorbed in the body can be counter-acted/reduced by liv support?
 
 
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    Re:Liver support on orals 01 February 2012 12:49 (permalink)
    I think you will find that potential liver damage (long term/permanent) is massively overstated from oral AAS mainly through years of making assumptions of the wrong values from tests performed, having said that it wouldn't hurt to use something proven to help like Liv52 as a precaution as well as limiting cycles with orals AAS in them.
     
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      Re:Liver support on orals 01 February 2012 12:53 (permalink)
      Here are a couple of studies which looked at the liver damage from AAS
       
      Anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity: Is it overstated?

      Clin J Sport Med 1999 Jan;9(1):34-9 (ISSN: 1050-642X)

      Dickerman RD; Pertusi RM; Zachariah NY; Dufour DR; McConathy WJ

      The Department of Biomedical Science, University of North Texas
      Health Science Center, Fort Worth 76107-2699, USA.

      OBJECTIVE: There have been numerous reports of hepatic dysfunction
      secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated levels of serum
      aminotransferases. This study was conducted to distinguish between
      serum aminotransaminase elevations secondary to intense resistance
      training and anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity in elite
      bodybuilders.

      DESIGN: This was a case-control study of serum chemistry profiles
      from bodybuilders using and not using anabolic steroids with
      comparisons to a cohort of medical students and patients with
      hepatitis.

      PARTICIPANTS: The participants were bodybuilders taking self-
      directed regimens of anabolic steroids (n = 15) and bodybuilders
      not taking steroids (n = 10). Blood chemistry profiles from
      patients with viral hepatitis (n = 49) and exercising and
      nonexercising medical students (592) were used as controls.

      MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The focus in blood chemistry profiles was
      aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT),
      gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT), and creatine kinase (CK)
      levels.

      RESULTS: In both groups of bodybuilders, CK, AST, and ALT were
      elevated, whereas GGT remained in the normal range. In contrast,
      patients with hepatitis had elevations of all three enzymes: ALT,
      AST, and GGT. Creatine kinase (CK) was elevated in all exercising
      groups. Patients with hepatitis were the only group in which a
      correlation was found between aminotransferases and GGT.

      CONCLUSION: Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced
      hepatotoxicity based on elevated aminotransferase levels may have
      been overstated, because no exercising subjects, including steroid
      users, demonstrated hepatic dysfunction based on GGT levels. Such
      reports may have misled the medical community to emphasize steroid-
      induced hepatotoxicity when interpreting elevated aminotransferase
      levels and disregard muscle damage. For these reasons, when
      evaluating hepatic function in cases of anabolic steroid therapy or
      abuse, CK and GGT levels should be considered in addition to ALT
      and AST levels as essential elements of the assessment.

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      Evaluation of aminotransferase elevations in a bodybuilder using
      anabolic steroids: hepatitis or rhabdomyolysis?
      Pertusi R, Dickerman RD, McConathy WJ.
      Department of Medicine, University of North Texas Health Science
      Center, 3500 Camp Bowie Blvd, Fort Worth, TX 76107-2699, USA.
      Abstract
      The use of anabolic steroids among competitive athletes,
      particularly bodybuilders, is widespread. Numerous reports have
      noted "hepatic" dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based
      on elevated serum aminotransferase levels. The authors' objective
      was to assess whether primary care physicians accurately
      distinguish between anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity and
      serum aminotransferase elevations that are secondary to acute
      rhabdomyolysis resulting from intense resistance training. Surveys
      were sent to physicians listed as practicing family medicine or
      sports medicine in the yellow pages of seven metropolitan areas.
      Physicians were asked to provide a differential diagnosis for a 28-
      year-old, anabolic steroid-using male bodybuilder with an abnormal
      serum chemistry profile. The blood chemistries showed elevated
      aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT),
      and creatine kinase (CK) levels, and normal gamma-
      glutamyltransferase (GGT) levels. In the physician survey (n = 84
      responses), 56% failed to mention muscle damage or muscle disease
      as a potential diagnosis, despite the markedly elevated CK level of
      the patient. Sixty-three percent indicated liver disease as their
      primary diagnosis despite normal GGT levels. Prior reports of
      anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity that were based on
      aminotransferase elevations may have overstated the role of
      anabolic steroids. Correspondingly, the medical community may have
      been led to emphasize anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity and
      disregard muscle damage when interpreting elevated aminotransferase
      levels. Therefore, when evaluating enzyme elevations in patients
      who use anabolic steroids, physicians should consider the CK and
      GGT levels as essential elements in distinguishing muscle damage
      from liver damage.
      Bigfella.
       
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        Re:Liver support on orals 01 February 2012 13:06 (permalink)
        interesting read there BigFella - cheers
         
        @ OP liver sups won't stop the absorption - you can always drink a glass of grapefruit which will bind to the enzyme CYP3A4 and stop the stomach from breaking the drug down before it gets to the liver - one glass a day will do
         
         
         
         
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          Re:Liver support on orals 02 February 2012 01:17 (permalink)
          thank guys, good advice.
           
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