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2017/02/15 08:06:42 (permalink)

Living up north?

I currently live on the south coast in nice seaside resort.
 
My wife and I have been considering moving up north with a view to living a better, more stress free quality of life. The idea would be to move somewhere near to the lake district nearish to the west coast.
 
Judging by house prices we’d have no mortgage thus leaving lots more disposable income for holidays. The nature of my work is such that I could work for myself 6 months of the year leaving more time for leisure pursuits and spending time with my wife and young daughter. The idea of living near to the lakes is that we replace the natural beauty of the south coastline with the natural beauty of the lakes while also living near to the west coast.
 
Bottom line to those that live up there- Where would be a good place to live bearing in mind the above? I know the weather is not as nice (I’ll be resolving this by holidaying all the time with any luck!) but is there anything else I'm missing to what what seems a no brainer to me.
 
Anybody else made a similar move and regretted it, or never looked back?
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 09:28:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby hififi 2017/02/15 11:20:02
So here goes: 
 
I am from the NW and spend a considerable time in the Ribble valley and also in the lakes. 
 
The lakes are expensive and invariably dull and polluted with tourists in summer. Public Transport is nil and you have to drive everywhere houses are cheap because theres nothing around. Those around stuff really are not that cheap ( relatively speaking). 
 
It rains a lot up here!! I am not exaggerating its why we have lakes. 
 
Its very cold. I wager January up the fells is probably the coldest place on earth because of the damp. Its really ****. 
 
NO PUBLIC TRANSPORT 
Minimal healthcare you will be forced miles to travel to hospital, doctors are a pain to get in but out in the sticks not so bad, same with dentists. 
 
Whilst its undeniably attractive up here its quite dull and I think you would probably miss the convenience of the South Coast. 
 
Everythings a trade off. 

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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 10:00:26 (permalink)
Is anywhere 'good' to live up north?
 
We moved back to the UK a while ago and took the easy route of deciding where to live by choosing the south east.
 
It's great apart from the fact housing is way too expensive (for us) and everybody is loaded and living in million pound houses. 
 
I could work half as much or save twice as much if we moved up north - but is it really that grim up there to explain the low cost of housing?  We have kids so they'd need a good school.
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 10:11:44 (permalink)
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Is anywhere 'good' to live up north?
 
We moved back to the UK a while ago and took the easy route of deciding where to live by choosing the south east.
 
It's great apart from the fact housing is way too expensive (for us) and everybody is loaded and living in million pound houses. 
 
I could work half as much or save twice as much if we moved up north - but is it really that grim up there to explain the low cost of housing?  We have kids so they'd need a good school.




 
The problem you face with bringing children up North is that under the current economic state of the country there is little to no investment, infrastructure and anything to retain said kids because they all bugger down south as soon as they graduate. That in turn has a knock on effect to the quality of the human capital left up here which then trickles down into the educational system. So you either have to pay for private school or go to some **** awful comp where you are either likely to have below average schooling both from a teaching perspective and fellow kids, if your white be an ethnic minority, become fairly institutionalised to accept your lot and not aspire to do something different. 
 
As a single 33 year old man the number of chicks who are mid 20s with two or three kids is pretty common because thats all they ever wanted...... No ambition or drive to do anything other than there hair and nails and leave school early.
 
That being said for what I pay for a 2 bed flat in London I can rent a house and an office to work from. But everything is a trade off and its cheap for a reason and the reason is that unless you are lucky to be self employed or work remotely like I do then wages are low and you are not likely to earn anywhere near what you would down south. So this notion that its cheap and you would have more disposable cash is a myth unless you are lucky. Now if you do manage to have a job paying the same then happy days. 
 
It is very pretty but all the nice parts much like every where else in the country are expensive. I think Harrogate in North Yorkshire has or had more millionaires than anywhere in the country at one point. Similarly where I am outside blackpool is nice and therefore full of old bastards ( 65+). 
 
Personally whilst I am fiercely proud to be from the the North I am also extremely realistic and know that its a broken part of the country. 

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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 10:41:34 (permalink)
Interesting. We both work remotely so would have the same income regardless of where we live. 
 
Although, do they have full broadband internet up north? I couldn't really work with dial up if that's all you guys have. 
 
Yes, the schools sound like the main problem. 
 
The young adult with 'drive' (or whatever you want to call it) head down south and have their kids there. Those left behind aren't as interested in their kids doing well = schools going to sh1t.
 
I guess the few good schools end up being highly sought after, and therefore housing in the local area gets expensive.
 
What about areas about one hour north of London - like Bedford, Luton, Milton Keynes?
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 10:49:55 (permalink)
Dat Milton Keynes quality of life lol
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 11:06:45 (permalink)
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Interesting. We both work remotely so would have the same income regardless of where we live. 
 
Although, do they have full broadband internet up north? I couldn't really work with dial up if that's all you guys have. 
 
Yes, the schools sound like the main problem. 
 
The young adult with 'drive' (or whatever you want to call it) head down south and have their kids there. Those left behind aren't as interested in their kids doing well = schools going to sh1t.
 
I guess the few good schools end up being highly sought after, and therefore housing in the local area gets expensive.
 
What about areas about one hour north of London - like Bedford, Luton, Milton Keynes?




 
Yes we have good Internet lol. 
 
But your right its a vicious cycle about the kids. 
 
Cant comment on those area's but if I had kids I would be doing everything in my power to leave the UK with them. 
 

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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 11:30:38 (permalink)
We're originally from North East coast been down in Surrey for 12 years
Now have enough equity to be mortgage free on a move back up north - like thegrimreaper hubby can work remotely and I'm not worried about getting a new position - well qualified/experienced in a fairly niche area - IFA admin/paraplanning.
 
But as Rasputin says the nicer areas in the north aren't any cheaper than the south tbh - maybe more/double square footage - but still same-ish outlay
Ougoings might not change too much either tbh? Council tax is same, potentialy more on heating lol! Is food much chepaer? Leisure is tho - dining and drinking.
We do like the warmer climate down here but the traffic seemingly prohibits us from exploring the south without undue stress at any time of day - any day of week.
 
Our work/life balance is out of wack at mo and we may be looking at north thru rose tinted glasses - we're taking this year to explore options fully and make decision where to stay.
 
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 11:37:05 (permalink)
We've just been installed with state of the art dial up with AOL here in Manchester - superfast speeds - MT loads up in mere minutes.
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 12:13:50 (permalink)
LOL!! Do we only have speed dial? LOL!! I have fibre optic if that's any help
 
I love the North and would hate to live south other than Cornwall or Devon. London would be my biggest nightmare. However, I do agree on the points of being careful where you would choose in The Lakes. Other than the areas easily accessible to the M6 it can take quite a while to travel round due to the road structure and get anywhere so your idea of being closer to the coast would be pretty far out. In summer it's full of tourists and during the winter pretty quiet and not much going on. If you're an outdoors person it would be heaven whatever the weather.
 
We have bought an apartment to retire to but it's 10 minutes outside of Kendal so all amenities of a major town and we are only a 5 minute drive off the M6. This is South Lakes. If you wanted to go even further north then you could look towards somewhere accessible to Carlisle. Properties in the major tourist places are more costly than those in the "residential" dense areas and you could certainly get a lot for your money. I wouldn't dismiss it if you're after somewhere a little quiet with beautiful scenery.
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 12:30:03 (permalink)
I hear Hull is great, anyone been ?

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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 12:34:37 (permalink)
Lol
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 12:41:17 (permalink)
​Thanks for the replies, gives me another perspective for sure. I guess the grass always seems greener. To be honest we generally get very good weather down here and living 3 miles from a sandy beach is nice.
 
It's the cost of living that stinks down here but maybe there's a reason for that!


As for the tourists during the summer- being a sunny seaside town with a sandy beach we get this right now and I imagine it's worse down here than up north.


We're just weighing things up. Undoubtedly having no mortgage is a big draw. Removes a lot of stress and frees up disposable income.


That said schooling is real driver too, we have a couple of years until our daughter goes to school but having a decent school is pretty important. The work issue for me is of no concern, I can move offices up north whilst having the option of consulting from home or contracting at clients offices (and there is plenty of work in my industry). Bottom line is I'll be on the same money I'm on now.


Hififi- My wife and I are pretty much in a similar boat and I'd have to agree with you about traveling anywhere local by car to local scenery and beaches. In the summer for example all of the roads are grid locked due to tourists. The sandy beaches we have become full (shoulder to shoulder) with tourists and mostly are not worth visiting unless we travel a bit further up the beach (which is still busy). It's the life balance thing we're after too, being mortgage free and having more time and money available to spend abroad on holiday or on recreational hobbies is a big draw for moving up north rather than slogging 9-5 to pay a stupidly high mortgage cost.
 
The weather could be a bit of a downer, especially if it is constantly raining. I guess this could get boring and prevent you doing a lot of things like taking daughter to park, going for a walk, family bike rides and picnics etc etc (unless of course you enjoy wet bike rides and soggy sandwiches?)
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 12:50:58 (permalink)
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​The weather could be a bit of a downer, especially if it is constantly raining. I guess this could get boring and prevent you doing a lot of things like taking daughter to park, going for a walk, family bike rides and picnics etc etc (unless of course you enjoy wet bike rides and soggy sandwiches?)

Not very British of you!?
We complain there's no air here in Surrey - when you're used to the windy n/e coast - but then we complained about the windy n/e coast!
We complain when it's over 25degrees down here - but not when we're still sitting out BBQing into October!
Always compromises
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 12:51:16 (permalink)
I'd have a long hard think about moving somewhere that will be colder, possibly less healthy and hardier on the system, of course if you're minted a rural place up North could be just as healthy, clean air etc, ultimately though it's probably something you have to try if you can, just because you can.

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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 13:04:19 (permalink)
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​The weather could be a bit of a downer, especially if it is constantly raining. I guess this could get boring and prevent you doing a lot of things like taking daughter to park, going for a walk, family bike rides and picnics etc etc (unless of course you enjoy wet bike rides and soggy sandwiches?)

Not very British of you!?
We complain there's no air here in Surrey - when you're used to the windy n/e coast - but then we complained about the windy n/e coast!
We complain when it's over 25degrees down here - but not when we're still sitting out BBQing into October!
Always compromises
xx




I know what a southern softy right? Maybe we just move to Australia!
 
 
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 13:06:17 (permalink)
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I'd have a long hard think about moving somewhere that will be colder, possibly less healthy and hardier on the system, of course if you're minted a rural place up North could be just as healthy, clean air etc, ultimately though it's probably something you have to try if you can, just because you can.



It's a few degrees colder on average but not sure it's any healthier in any way down here in the south, towns are highly populated which means more pollution. Also the stress factor (or lack there of) up not north would benefit health with no mortgage and 5 holidays a year
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 13:09:36 (permalink)
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I'd have a long hard think about moving somewhere that will be colder, possibly less healthy and hardier on the system, of course if you're minted a rural place up North could be just as healthy, clean air etc, ultimately though it's probably something you have to try if you can, just because you can.



It's a few degrees colder on average but not sure it's any healthier in any way down here in the south, towns are highly populated which means more pollution. Also the stress factor (or lack there of) up not north would benefit health with no mortgage and 5 holidays a year


In that case it's a no brainer mate.

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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 13:12:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby hififi 2017/02/15 16:19:32
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I'd have a long hard think about moving somewhere that will be colder, possibly less healthy and hardier on the system, of course if you're minted a rural place up North could be just as healthy, clean air etc, ultimately though it's probably something you have to try if you can, just because you can.



It's a few degrees colder on average but not sure it's any healthier in any way down here in the south, towns are highly populated which means more pollution. Also the stress factor (or lack there of) up not north would benefit health with no mortgage and 5 holidays a year


In that case it's a no brainer mate.

I've convinced myself that but Rasputin has put doubts in my mind (damn you!)
He's given me things to think about though and these things are never easy decisions as it's a lot of upheaval but I guess if it all didn't work out we could always move back. There is of course the option of renting our house out and renting up there for 6 months to sus things out
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Re: Living up north? 2017/02/15 13:30:38 (permalink)
lol RAS makes a few valid points, but people don't half have some f*cked up views about the North. A few years ago I went down South to stay with a family in Kent for 2 weeks. The patronising condescending tw*ts constantly made digs like I was some sort of primitive caveman they'd adopted to show the wonders of the modern world.
 
With no sense of sarcasm (which i hope the dial-up bit above is), I took the plates away after a meal and scraped any excess waste into the bin. They looked horrified and started to show me the dishwasher and explain how it worked etc, I think they genuinely thought I took plates / clothes to a nearby river and washed them there. I had to explain I also had a dishwasher and it's best not to clog the machine up... I don't think they believed me though, because the North don't have electricity, fire or modern technology of any kind. We use horse n' cart and get amazed when Southern folk show us modern wonders like the TV - HOW THE **** ARE THOSE PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THAT TINY BOX! It hurts my brain thinking about it TBH.
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